Don’t know what to do or feel. It seems unreal. Grandma is in the hospital with Corona and the doctor said she might not make it past today.

sorry for this vent. Also a question, how long is it okay to be out after a negative test?

I was not going to say anything about the comment about not making a comment about my sister about giving it to her but those comments are from her being careless. I was not going to state my reason for making comments in that manner but she has proved she wants to continue to risk the family’s lives after what happened. She continues to be careless and shows lack of care about infecting more people and family members. She shared a cigarette with someone who had Covid and she has been careless. The day my grandma went to the hospital my sister left her alone for hours and called my mom saying she didn’t feel well. My grandma said my sister was coughing around her and not covering her mouth and felt like she coughed on her on purpose. You know we cannot make those accusations because it’s so serious to confront her so in addition to her having covid I only text with her to keep from showing my anger on her even after what my sisters tried to pull on me this morning. My other sister always have defended this sister and never thought she could do no wrong and always made me feel like an jerk about anything to do with her even if she was hitting me and I was bleeding.

I have a business trip this weekend and was going to cancel for the weekend trip for the funeral but the funeral is next week. I was going to cancel to help out with anything but my family especially my sisters told me not to cancel and pushed me to go to get my mind off of things. my sister who has covid decided that she wanted to have her daughters birthday party this weekend because she feels better even though she doesn’t have a negative test yet and feels a negative test would just suffice. People feel like a couple days after being negative is safer. My other sister is guilting me all of a sudden about going on the trip saying we knew the date, I am being selfish about not canceling the trip and I should have known. I am mad she doesn’t see the selfishness in my sisters actions for risking people’s lives and guilting people for not going when they are grieving and are still afraid of being near her after grandma’s death and that these are people who are at risk. Also I didn’t know the date but I made the date of the trip clear to everyone before my grandma got sick and they never mentioned the party date. I even asked before grandma being sick about the party date and they were like I don’t know. My family even knew about the trip because they asked mention the trip and grandma’s funeral and I told them not to worry about the trip several times and I will cancel for the funeral and no mention of the party date during several of these conversations. The party is too dangerous and upsetting and the girls will have more fun next weekend when people would feel more safe being in the same room as my sister.

So sorry for your loss. It is good that she was able to see and hear you, that you were able to connect before she passed away. I'm sure that meant a lot to her.

Arp I am so sorry.

I'm so sorry for your loss, Arp.

Arp, I am so sorry for your loss. May The Lord give you grieving mercies and strength.

Grandma is no longer suffering and that is a good thing. Try to remember that when this feels overwhelming.

My grandma died yesterday right after a zoom call. I wanted to bring flowers so bad yesterday to her. Something told me I had to but the hospital wouldn’t accept them for safety reasons but said we could do a zoom. She was wheezing so badly. I saw my other grandma die last year right before the Corona and she was breathing that way. My other grandma fell and hit her head really bad

I'm sorry for what you are going through--and of course you hate seeing your grandmother so ill...

Can I ask one thing? Maybe stop referring to the sister who 'gave Grandma covid' as such. It's VERY likely that sister did not know she HAD covid and wouldn't have gone around grandma if she had.

Chasing the 'who gave what to whom' can drive you NUTS! Last year with covid scares and such going on constantly--we really truly never KNEW who ground zero was. And the guilt that can come from being 'ground zero' just makes it worse.

I know that when my Gma was actively dying in a NH, some of the staff were trying to get her up and walking, some were more concerned about her overall state of being & not concerned about anything but keeping her comfortable. I remember her talking about one PT who was intent on getting her out of bed. She said "I told this guy I can't feel my hands or feet. What does he think I'm going to STAND ON!"

I wish you peace in the coming weeks.

Yes my friend helped me set an appointment for tomorrow at cvs. I am going to rest today.

Arp,
The Walgreens near me have appointments on the weekends for COVID testing.

There was no charge, each time I was tested.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t know that they had different functions for both and couldn’t remember if I posted as question of discussion.

I think what is making this harder is the roller coaster and confusion. One conversation they are talking about her recovery and being positive and saying they are Putting her through physical therapy through bed. Then, the next conversation they are talking about making her passing comfortable and continuing to give her morphine. I might be overreacting but I felt they are forcing her passing and not giving her a chance because she is old. I hear of people of being in the hospital for a month and getting out of it. She has been in it for over a week.

to the concern of me catching it. I saw her last before she caught covid from my sister. I have been staying home and doing my meetings zoom and online school just in case. I am going to get the test Monday to be sure. My sister is the main caregiver now. My mom watches her two days a week to give my sister off. That Friday I helped my mom take her to her appointment. My grandma got her flu shot. I had to leave for a zoom appointment after the appointment but I came back and bought her some chocolate covered almonds that she loved. I am so glad I came back. My sister wasn’t there she was at home with the visitors who gave her covid. I did not go back after that. My sister came back Saturday and she gave my grandma covid. She didn’t know she had it until Wednesday. My grandma felt week and called my mom and they convinced her to call 911. Her biggest fear was getting covid and dying the hospital of COVID. Her stay in the hospital is her recovering then she has her really bad days. They just want to give up and I am not ready and my grandma is fighting. I want one more holiday season with her.

@ freqflyer Hospice could transfer the person to their In Patient Unit so they could care for them. And family would then be able to visit.

Morphine is often given to ease breathing, and to assist with breathing. The amount given depends on the purpose for which it is meant. Hospice often gives more morphine both to ease breathing and to ease pain, assist in sedation. Discuss with those giving the morphine the purpose for which it is given. If your grandmother is not on hospice care, and does remain in the hospital, my guess as a nurse is the morphine is given to ASSIST her breathing. But you should speak with her caregivers to find out for certain.
As to not seeing a reply button this apparently has been deemed not so much a question as a discussion, and the admins may have moved your post now to discussions, where replies are given my posting, as I am, to you.
I am wishing you peace, and hoping your grandmother is comfortable and will recover. As to your own condition, it is now very easy to get tested. If you have any suspicions that you are positive at all you shouldn't be visiting her while she is in any care setting and should be in the required isolation. Wishing you the very best.

No reply button because you have a discussion going, not a question.

Arp, who is her medical advocate? That is who needs to make sure that grandma's wishes are being honored.

I had to raise hell when my dad was in the hospital and they just gave him up for dead. Nope, he is still breathing and he needs to be treated like he is going to recover. I believe that's we are called home and go when it is our time but, it doesn't have to be helped along and cause pain. My dad lived another 4 years after the hospitalist gave him up for dead.

Advocate, advocate, advocate is what someone has to do. If it's grandma's time, she will go but, if it's not she needs the support to fight.

Yes end of life it’s an emotional roller coaster because one moment they talk about her improving and working on physical therapy. Then the next conversation we have with her they are talking about giving her morphine and anxiety medicine and making her feel comfortable. I honestly feel like they are giving up on her because she is old. She has barely been there for a week and there a few people I know who stayed for over a month. They told me Wednesday that she won’t make it past the day but look at her now. Her oxygen levels are still improving but they are trying to increase her morphine. Let her fight to survive if she wants to fight.

edit: I don’t see a reply button like there used to be

Arp, I am glad she is improving!
When you say "EOL treatment" do you mean hospice?

The family needs to do what they know grandma wanted for her EOL journey. .

I can't believe that some ignorant hospital employee would say she's old. Wow, they are observant aren't they? Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to have her EOL wishes honored.

They say she is improving this morning and getting better but they still want to push end of life treatment. They said she is old

Geaton777, I doubt the hospital would allow anyone from Hospice to enter an ICU when there are covid patients.

I'm so sorry you are in these distressing circumstances. My MIL (then 87 yrs old) was in a LTC facility and got covid in May of 2020 when all the NHs were blocking all visitors. We had to have her out of state sons come and say goodbye to her. Her doctor told us that even if she survived she might not be the same cognitively afterwards. She had a DNR order so she didn't eat or drink much for most of the 4 weeks she was critically ill. No treatment for covid, just for pain, and a little oxygen. We transitioned her to hospice. She didn't respond much to our window visits/phone calls because she was so weakened. Then lo-and-behold at the end of the 4th week she began to recover. Today she is fully recovered with no other residual problems. I'm hoping this can be your grandma's path. Just posting this to encourage you that it ain't over till it's over.

Has anyone suggested hospice for her? May you gain great peace in your heart through this very difficult trial.

I'm new to the group and not sure how to follow your story.

Anyway, I would first recommend getting tested for Covid-19, so you know whether you should be isolating or not - regardless, if you're sick, it's a good idea to isolate and avoid the hospital.

Are you grandmother's doctors and nurses able to share information with you over the phone? And perhaps they can set up an ipad for her to communicate with you and other family members, if she's able to do so? I know it's hard these days as people try to navigate the changing information about a brand new virus - and it's bound to result in some blame and guilt. I can only advise to be compassionate with yourself and others. Try to be positive and loving - communicate with your grandmother, and accept whatever the outcome may be, as hard as that could be.

Wishing you peace during this difficult time.

I'm sorry for your situation. At this point, just pray for peace for Grandma and for you. Don't berate yourself over not being vaxxed (Making an assumption that no one in this triangle was vaccinated)---it is what it is. We will all die of something. I hope for grandma's sake she is peaceful and being well cared for.

Are you feeling anger/guilt over your relationship with sister or with grandma? I can't tell. But you can mend the rift with sister, and you should try. If it's with grandma--can you get word to her that you are thinking of her and that you love her?

CG is so HARD! We do our best and then still 'fail' in some regards. Not much to do but hang in there and try to do better in the future.

I’m sorry you’re going through this. Please know that your grandmother will pass away exactly when she’s meant to, no one’s fault and nothing to feel guilty over. We all have a number of days here before we die, dying is a natural part of life. This doesn’t take away the sadness. I hope you can surround yourself with memories of happier times, ignore any negativity from others, and be at peace