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ThisIsNotMe Posted October 2023

Just when I thought there was light at the end of the tunnel.

I've posted a couple of time about my situation: loveless marriage I've been wanting to escape for years, husband's decline with Parkinson's plus (MSA or LBD), loss of rental house looming, and opportunity to move to another state to live with a friend. I had many supportive and encouraging responses here, for which I'm thankful!


Update is that I filed for divorce and have a final court date on November 3. My landlady called and we had a great conversation in which she was looking out 6 months or so to sell, and for me to have no worries. In the meantime, husband was moved from palliative care to hospice, and his social worker is looking for placement for him. I'm hoping to get everything squared away so that I can be independent of this situation by the end of the year.


A lot of forward motion, for sure! But depression and hopelessness are overwhelming me lately. I was already inundated with washing urine-soiled sheets and clothing, but now I'm facing the horrors of bowel incontinence and sudden bouts of vomiting.


Husband is now nauseated off and on, and I can't connect it with anything he's eaten, time of day, or meds. He just starts gagging and gesturing for a container and I give it to him and leave the room until he's finished. I can't listen or look or I'll be sick myself. All I can do is bag it up after he's done. Once, he vomited into his cpap mask and I thought I was going to lose it while cleaning it out!


Bowel incontinence started when I woke up at 2:30 AM to a dreadful smell and discovered him, without his undies, standing in his room. There were feces at the top of the stairs and at the bottom of the stairs, along with his cpap mask! When I asked him what was going on, he said he'd been going downstairs to the bathroom. Problem is, the bathroom is upstairs, right across the hall from his room. He was so out of it that we spent the next day - ALL DAY - in the ER where he was diagnosed with UTI delirium. Third one since last October. I had to use another vacation day from work for this.


Since then, the bowel incontinence is here to stay. The toilet gets plugged up unless he continuously flushes as he goes, which he won't. Instead, he tries to plunge the mess and there's filthy water all over the bathroom floor, with my good towels used to mop it up. If I come with him and keep flushing, he threatens to slap me, then slams the door in my face. I've had to clean sticky poop off the toilet seat, wipe up diarrhea puddles on the floor, bag up balls of poop left in the hallway, all the while gagging and almost vomiting from the atrocious smell. Both that and his urine have an overpowering, nauseating stench that is hard to stomach.


One red-letter-day had him making a filthy mess in the bathroom, then falling into my bedroom (the ONE place in the house that I felt completely clean and comfy in) where I quickly stuffed a garbage bag under his butt before he could roll over and smear crap all over my carpet. Once I got him up, he proceeded to vomit into my wastebasket. I had to wash him up in the shower and under no circumstances had I imagined I would ever have to wash an adult man's poopy bottom. I've had to do it twice since then as this appears to be an ongoing issue.


He continues to be non-compliant with his walker, he goes into the basement and washes my good work blouses with bathroom rugs, towels and my sheets on hot water and leaves the whole mess to mildew, he has urinated on two sofa cushions and I have to battle to keep him out of the recliner (the only clean place left for me to sit), he pees on the welcome mat outside the front door and then denies it, he washes dishes I've rinsed and left in the sink to go in the dishwasher using a dirty sponge, and he somehow bent my ironing board by leaning on it or falling on it. Because no walker. EVER.


I'm afraid I'll have a nervous breakdown before they place him. Sorry, just needed to vent in a place where others know what it's like!

Riverdale Nov 2023
ThisIsNotMe
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So sorry for all you are having to go through. I hope you find relief soon.

Midkid58 Oct 2023
MY SIL is a GI doc and he commented once that when a person is no longer digesting what they eat, it stays 'stagnant' in the gut. If your patient has really bad breath (actually can smell like poop) he said to get them to the ER STAT b/c the possibility of sepsis is possible and the vomiting/diarrhea is a sign of the body refusing to digest food.

(Lovely dinner conversation, I remember that).

Eventually the body just rejects everything in the gut. And it rages out both ends.

You probably need to get your DH to the hospital if this happens again.

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BarbBrooklyn Oct 2023
Thisisnotme, you can't reply to individual posts in "discussions", only in "questions".

Wishing you well.

ThisIsNotMe Oct 2023
I'm commenting on my own post because I can't seem to reply to comments anymore. Am checking with AgingCare to see what has happened. I DO appreciate everyone who takes the time to read and comment and I don't want anyone to think otherwise!

Beatty Oct 2023
I would seriously consider ER for abdo investigation.

Bowel obstruction can cause both vomiting & incontinence symptoms you described. Even with hospice &/or no invasive treatments common sense must overrule.

If he is distressed or in pain & you as caregiver cannot cope, then action & help is needed.

MJ1929 Oct 2023
You're living in a toxic waste dump. Take him to the ER and refuse to take him back.

Evamar Oct 2023
I am so sorry, this is awful situation.
My husband has Parkinson for over 10 years, although diagnosed once in 2015, then 2016, his GP noticed changes as far as 2013.
And no dementia whatsoever and no incontinence.
But as you know PD comes with so many symptoms that even emotionally and mentally it is exhausting, so I although I have no advice I understand your frustration.
Is it possible to arrange more care for him?
I found helpful having people help with exercise in addition to PT, respite care, PD program.

Grandma1954 Oct 2023
Has he been tested for C-diff?
The foul odor is what made me think of C-diff
It is difficult to treat and it can be transmitted so be very careful.
Wear gloves, mask, if you get any fecal matter on your clothing change.
Talk to his doctor about testing for C-diff

NightHeron Oct 2023
Good God. Put the pressure on the social worker to get him placed NOW. Anywhere. This is way beyond one person's abilities. Your welfare matters just as much as his.

NYDaughterInLaw Oct 2023
Take him to the ER for diarrhea and altered mental status. Do not take him back home. Ever. The conditions under which you are living are beyond shocking and disgusting. Do what you need to do to save yourself.

Fawnby Oct 2023
Is there a stand-alone hospice facility where he could go? Ask them!

There are plenty of reasons to call 911 and get him to the ER, or doesn't hospice allow that? It seems like if he's vomiting and has diarrhea, that's enough of an issue for him to go to the ER (electrolytes out of balance, dehydrated, or something like that). If you have to take him off hospice to get him in the ER, do it. Then refuse to take him home.

What a horrible situation. I'm so sorry. Your social worker may not have his case at the top of her list of priorities, so you may have to have several irons in the fire to get him placed. ER dump is one. Maybe a different social worker. Please try everything you can to get him placed elsewhere.

Thank you for your update, I wish it could be better for you than it is.

anonymous1732518 Oct 2023
So sorry you're both going through this. Parkinsons can cause both diarrhea and vomiting, both may be related to it.

AlvaDeer Oct 2023
I think JoAnn is right. This is basically an ER dump in which you say he cannot return home. You can plead whatever you like from an inability to care for him physically, mentally or BOTH. Then placement will happen and placement is the only answer here, quite honestly, so that you can begin addressing the rest of it. You can be proud you have taken the steps and continue to step in the right direction.

With the severity of what is happening consider calling EMS and then not allowing a return home. They can do SNF or whatever they like, but not return him home.

As to that inability to reply, it seems the admins have moved your update to "discussions" because no real question was involved. In Discussions you reply by simply adding a post as you did.

By the way thanks for updating us and hope you continue to do so. We are interested in this so-tough journey you are making. And thanks for adding to and answering our questions.

ThisIsNotMe Oct 2023
For some reason, I'm unable to reply to those who have commented, so apologize for that. I thank everyone who has taken the time to respond and share advice! The reason I'm still living here as I pursue divorce is simply because I have nowhere else to go until my friend can find housing for us to share. Her lease is up November 30, and she's closest to our new state to look for places. It's a waiting game, basically. Also, I have to clean all of husband's junk from this house. My landlady has been very good to me and I want a good reference from her - I won't just up and leave the house as is. Husband went on hospice after that ER visit - now he's on a higher level to be placed and the SW said she is getting solid leads now on placement and that it could happen very quickly. Hospice and SW know my exit date is November 30, and they have also advised me that if all else fails, I should still go and leave the situation in the hands of APS. Once I'm divorced from him, there's no question that I can be expected to continue to care for him. He had ANOTHER diarrhea and vomiting episode last night at 3 AM and I was up until 4:30 AM cleaning. I'm calling hospice nurse team today and demand that they give him SOMETHING for his issues or tell me what to use because this has GOT TO STOP. Not only is it disgusting and depressing, it's exhausting to get up literally in the middle of the night to change sheets, shower someone, completely clean an entire bathroom and still be able to get enough sleep to carry on the next day. And since he's on hospice, he can't go to any appointment or even to the ER without their OK. I'm trying to play this whole thing on the up and up so that I'm not accused of neglect or abuse, and so that he's placed appropriately so that I have no guilt. But it's going to be a hairy ride the next two months if they can't get his issues under control! He has a nurse visit twice a week and a CNA twice per week through hospice and they need to step up on whatever is wrong. I don't know if this is the early stages leading to death, but whatever it is, it's horrifying.

JoAnn29 Oct 2023
When u took him to the ER you should have left him there. U could have told them a SW is trying to place him because u can no longer care for him. Now, its coming out both ends and you definitely cannot handle it. Your husband is probably dehydrated and needs IVs. Take him back to ER and tell them he needs to be admitted. Then hope he has 3 days in so he goes to Rehab. From Rehab he should be able to go to a NH. Tell them that you will no longer care for him. He is 24/7 and you can no longer do it. If they try to release him, say its unsafe.

lkdrymom Oct 2023
No one should have to live like this

funkygrandma59 Oct 2023
Perhaps it's time to make another trip to the ER for his unexplained vomiting, and when there, you tell the hospital social worker that he CANNOT come home as he is an unsafe discharge and that you can no longer care for him.
And you don't listen to them telling you all that they'll do for you if you take him home(it's all BS). You just stand your ground and tell them NO he cannot come home again ever!!!
I'm betting that after that he will be placed within the week.

Daughterof1930 Oct 2023
Please don’t put your faith in a social worker “looking for placement” I’m definitely not disparaging all social workers as I know a number of excellent ones. I also know that some will readily use a family member or willing friend to delay finding placement for a long while, if not indefinitely. It may very well take you leaving for placement to happen. Be sure your name is removed from all legal documents such as POA and just go. Report him as an adult in need of care. He deserves the care he so desperately needs and you deserve a life of peace. I hope you both soon get exactly what is needed

Oedgar23 Oct 2023
I don’t understand why the drs aren’t looking into the vomiting. Could this perhaps be an Avenue to a hospital admission, and then facility from there?

anonymous1732518 Oct 2023
Im currently to what he's eating that would stop up the toilet.

Southernwaver Oct 2023
Definitely do this and leave. He will get placed sooner and you will be saving your land lady a LOT of trouble

Southernwaver Oct 2023
Is he an alcoholic? I can’t remember. This sounds like how people die from alcoholism

AlvaDeer Oct 2023
I am uncertain, amidst your filing for divorce, why you are staying with your husband.

I would let his social worker know your exit date, and then I would exit. I think I would resign any POA you have as well, and if you need to do this legally your attorney for your divorce should have no trouble helping you to do this.

Next step is that your husband is a ward of the state. Surely you do not intend to care for him while you are divorced from him? The state will certainly find placement quickly enough, I assure you.

Time to speak of an exit strategy with your attorney. "looking for placement" isn't answer enough. They way to get this done is to remove yourself from the situation. Begin looking for housing for yourself; APS will have to get caregivers in until Social Services finds placement. What happens then as regards your landlord is another question entirely.

Geaton777 Oct 2023
I can only offer you a ((hug)) and wish you solutions and peace in your exhausted heart on this journey.

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