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savemom Asked August 2014

My Mom was pulled from our home on 6/20/14 then a permanent conservatorship hearing was held which I missed. Any advice?

Now she is permanently conserved. At the temporary hearing the county council said they should sell the house which she owns to pay for her care. I was taking care of her with the blood pressure pill at night and in the morning with her Plavix pill. She wants out of the skilled nursing facility and tried to follow me when I found out I could visit her 7/1/14! By the end of the week I had a restraining order on me and now I can't visit her for three years! She's 87 btw! I talked to an attorney today and she said it is hard to get a restraining order lifted and hard to do anything about the restraining order. Then she photocopied my court papers and ended the interview.

vegaslady Sep 2014
If after supervised visits a restraining order was obtained against you, there is something wrong with you. You come across to me as twitchy, and that probably is how you present in person, thus the restraining order. My guess would be that you are on illicit stimulant drugs. Sorry to be so blunt, but I sincerely doubt that anyone is going to give you break to be around her. The restraining order and court guardianship is to protect her. That is to save mom, and you are not that person. Other people here have kindly suggested counseling for you. Take their advice, take the cure, then come back.

savemom Sep 2014
They were supervised visits.

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savemom Sep 2014
I believe it was the Public Guardian.

jeannegibbs Sep 2014
And, I think getting some counseling would be a good start for you. You are in paid over this situation and need some help dealing with it.

Your mother's age is no explanation at all.

jeannegibbs Sep 2014
Maybe you could negotiate for supervised visits to your mother. Have you tried that?

jeannegibbs Sep 2014
The county council would conceivably be interested in the brick wall issue. Maybe they are mentioned in paperwork. But who is it that ordered your mother removed from her house?

Way too confusing for us, who haven't seen the paperwork. I think you need to accept what the lawyers say.

pamstegma Sep 2014
Savemom, see your doctor and get some counseling or a therapist. Put the pieces back together and prove yourself as a reliable person. Ask for supervised visitation of your mother. It's a start in the right direction.

freqflyer Sep 2014
savemom, sounds like you rather play games here than have us give you advice. Have a good day.

MaggieMarshall Sep 2014
Yeah, knowing her age makes it crystal. Thanks.

savemom Sep 2014
My mother is 87 years old. Does that answer your question?

freqflyer Sep 2014
Savemom, you asked for advice, but it is difficult to give you advice unless you present more information. Like, why is there a 5-year restraining order on you? Please tell us your side of the story.

vegaslady Sep 2014
Do you mean posting here or missing the court sates?

savemom Sep 2014
Big mistake?

BarbBrooklyn Sep 2014
So, why weren't you at either of the hearings? I believe that would tell us a lot.

MaggieMarshall Sep 2014
That's the only information you have for us, Savemom?

savemom Sep 2014
The paperwork says, "county council."

pamstegma Aug 2014
So they removed her from an unsafe house, which is reasonable. APS wants to know where her money is and how it was spent. That is also reasonable. She was ill enough to need a Nursing Home. Seems to me the justice system did a good job to protect the person and the property.
She followed you out of the nursing home? My sister used to bring home dogs and tell my Dad they followed her. He didn't believe her either.

freqflyer Aug 2014
Savemom, I am sorry but none of what you wrote made sense.... why would a County Council get involved? Your profile says you live in California, and County Councils usually deal with county budgets and land use. Or did you mean a County District Attorney?

City inspector wanted a brick wall removed that had been there for 30 years? That doesn't make sense, either. The city wouldn't have waited 30 years to file a complaint on that wall.

And how did the Social Workers get your mother's bank accounts?

blannie Aug 2014
Savemom I'm not sure what kind of advice you can expect from us on this site - we're a bunch of caregivers. If you've been to attorneys and aren't getting any help or advice, it sounds like you've done what you can do. You still didn't say why you missed the three important hearings about your mom.

Your story still doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but that's OK, I don't think we're going to offer you the kind of help you're seeking. Good luck in getting advice you find helpful.

savemom Aug 2014
I have been going to attorneys, but they just photocopy the court papers and send me on my way saying, "Once the public guardian has control..."

It's all about the money. The city inspector made my mother pull a permit to remove a block wall my father had constructed in front the driveway in front of the garage over 30 years ago. She did but didn't do the work until a year later after the permit expired and social workers wanted to know where the money came from with bank statements from my mother's bank account in hand. They think the house is unsafe. I had a big trash dumpster put in front of the house, removed vehicles, and lastly a 20 foot army trailer my father had a surface grinder in from his employer; anything to appease these people. They're punishing us for not doing the work fast enough and the county council said, "Sell the house."

pamstegma Aug 2014
A lot of pieces missing from this puzzle. She was removed for a good reason. She was conserved for a good reason Then you got slapped with a restraining order early in July (they had to show cause for that too). Now it is September and you want to undo all three strikes against you. Start by seeing a good therapist, because there is something going on, that I can't quite put my finger on, but you need help sorting it out.

blannie Aug 2014
I don't think we can give you any better advice than the attorney gave you. I do think there are big pieces of important information missing. Why did you miss the hearings? If you love your mom and believed you were doing a good job for her, it was crucial for you to be there. Something is lacking in your explanation. Did you go into the skilled nursing facility and raise a ruckus with your mom? My dad went to skilled nursing in the last three months of his life because he could no longer take care of his toileting needs and he was at the end of his life with lung cancer. There must be more going on with your mom than what you're indicating...

anonymous158299 Aug 2014
if youre visiting at NH upsets your mom they may run you off . if youre visiting calms mom, they would let you stay . if there was something wrong in your home that caused your mother to be conserved , you probably know whats wrong and arent mentioning it here .
im pretty sure my aunt has been conserved by the state and placed in NH . many reasons . daughter is ill herself , daughter was doing a lousy job -- nearly let aunt die of pneumonia and wouldnt get her an appointment with doc . aunt was having too many falls in independant living .
aps is only concerned for the well being of the elder . something in your home was way off .

jeannegibbs Aug 2014
Your profile says Mom's primary ailment is incontinence. You mention that she also needs help with medications. Those two things together don't usually qualify someone for skilled nursing care.

Restraining orders are not usually issued for someone else's behavior -- that mother would try to follow you.

Why would you miss a meeting as critical as a permanent conservatorship hearing?

Who was appointed as conservator?

Is the attorney looking into this further for you?

It just feels like more of the story is missing than is here.

What is your question for us?

MaggieMarshall Aug 2014
So you missed TWO hearings: one for the conservatorship and one for the restraining order. Why? That on its OWN doesn't sound right. If you DID have a hearing for the restraining order and LOST, then you're never going to be able to do anything about it. You had your day in court. If you didn't show? In my opinion, again, you won't be able to do anything about it unless you can prove you were in the hospital or jail. (And jail certainly wouldn't look very good, would it?)

So what is your question?

Your mom was taken from your home, apparently on an emergency basis (since you use the word "pulled"). That's not done without cause. Why did they do that?

You know what I miss reading in your post, frankly? Where it says you love and miss your mom. *shrug*

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