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1angelnblue2 Asked January 2017

My uncle (91) has stage IV prostate cancer with no pain. Should I call hospice?

My 91 year uncle was diagnosed 2 years ago with stage IV prostate cancer with bone met. He has been on Zytiga with prednisone that quit working about 6 months ago. He was than placed on Xtandi , which brought his PSA level down from 106 to 90.
He also has AFIB , COPD and is on oxygen. Three weeks ago I saw a decline in his health. He was sleeping a lot , felt nauseous, headaches, nosebleeds, and started to become very weak. He uses a walker with is almost impossible for him to get up and use the bathroom 15 feet away. He was having trouble urinating so off to the urologist. All test came back negative for UTI or bladder infection. Nothing was done. 2 days later he was feeling worse.He was very weak, not eating, had a yellow tinge to his face and had incontinence I was told to call my GP. I told him his symptoms and that he had a yellow tinge to his face. He had taken a fall too.He also had a lot of back pain near the kidney area. The Gp told me to take him to the ER. I told the ER Dr what was going on and he asked " so what did you bring him for?" I almost grabbed my uncle and left! I couldn't believe what I was hearing! I said ALL OF THE STUFF I JUST TOLD YOU! My uncle's oncologist was out of town for the holidays or I would have taken him there! They took blood, but refused to do an iron test ( my uncle's iron levels have caused him to be sick before) after a CT scan on his head and trying to get him to urinate , after a full bag of saline , he urinated about 1 cc. Well the assistant nurse tipped it over and that left a small amount to test. They tried to put a catheter in and only got 1/8 " in. So off to his urologist 30 miles away. He finally got a a catheter in, but he had to open the end of his penis with forceps.
Oncologist came back and we went yesterday. I told him everything my uncle has been experiencing and he recommended hospice. He told my uncle he was dieing. My uncle has very little pain but he is weak in the legs. It is hard for him to walk. Urologist appt coming up Friday and I am torn on calling hospice! I am his 24/7 care giver. I sleep in a recliner only 6 feet away from his bed and I never leave him unattended. I am always home. I might be doing the dishes but he is never alone. I'm really not sure if hospice is needed at this time? Any past experiences would be greatly appreciated!
He has never had Chemo. The Dr said at his age it would ruin the quality of life he has left. I really don't want to see him on morphine, if it is not needed at this time because he is NOT in a lot of pain. It is very minimal. I'm trying to do what's best for him. He told me he doesn't feel like he's dying, he's just weak. The oncologist says this is not a side effect of Xtandi. This is a very tough decision for me to make. I don't know what to do.
I can't lift him to much because of my own health problems. Numerous back surgeries. His spirits seem to be okay today and his eating has slowed down but he eats. He has not given up.
Please advise, I don't know what to expect next. Thank you and God Bless.

1angelnblue2 Jan 2017
Thank you for all of your answers. I feel a big burden lifted off my shoulders and heart. I was feeling as if I was failing him by not doing the right thing. We have made the decision together and will be visted Monday by Hospice to see if this particular group is right for both of us. We do discuss everything with each other and nothing has ever been left unsaid. I made him a promise over 30 years ago and I intend on keeping my promise.
I really appreciate all of you that answered. You have been the answers to my prayers. I want you all to know, you were a really big help in our decision. It gives me faith in knowing, there are still people out there that truly care. I hope that someday I will be able to do what you nice people have done for us, for someone else in need of advice.
May God bless you all and be by your side in your time of need. ❤

surprise Jan 2017
Not only does hospice have medical help, but let's not forget the supportive aspects of respite sitters, volunteers for various things, a chaplain, 13 months of aftercare for the family if they want to talk. I've been thrilled to have a volunteer call monthly and just be a listening ear for me to whine in if I needed to. The chaplain who visits actually sings to mthr, who tries to sing along. We have a social worker who sees if there are any unmet needs. Plus, these are people who have seen it all and will tell you there are no wrong answers. At this time of life, that's important to hear and have peace.

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jeannegibbs Jan 2017
My husband was no in physical pain while he was on hospice. Morphine was in the kit they provided, but I did not use it. You would control what your uncle gets.

Windyridge Jan 2017
Hospice is a lot more than pain relief. They don't force morphine on anyone. Your uncle will,get visits by a nurse, a bath aid and you can request companionship volunteers who can sit with your uncle while you step out for a bit.

GivingItMyAll Jan 2017
I can't believe you don't already have Home Health. His doctor would have to make that arrangement. But, yes, I would call a couple of hospice companies and see if he qualifies. I feel pretty certain he would, but I am not familiar with Hospice for cancer, only for dementia. They bring out the Morphine, but you are in charge of administering it, so if you don't feel he needs it, then you don't use it. They would also provide any DME he might need. A patient lift might be handy for you with your back issues. Never hurts to call.

1angelnblue2 Jan 2017
@ cwillie Thank you for such a quick response. That sounds very logical to me.

cwillie Jan 2017
Hospice would be another level of support for you, someone to call if you have any concerns that can deliver healthcare right to your door without having to take him out. You would need to choose the hospice provider that meets your goals, mention your goal to keep him morphine free unless absolutely necessary and see what their response is. Ultimately you should have control over how the care is provided and be able to dismiss the agency and/or individuals if their agenda conflicts with your own.

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