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cynpen Asked January 2020

Taxes on earned income of spouse?

My father is in a NH and in order for him to qualify for his Medicaid, he sold mineral rights to my mother. She now is sole owner of these minerals and in 2019 she received approximately $14,000.00 in dividends. Now, the checks have dropped back down to around $125.00 monthly.


Will my mother have to file single, head of household or how should she file?? I can't allow anything to disqualify my dad from medicaid. HELP!!! ANY SUGGESTIONS??

GardenArtist Jan 2020
Cynpen, this is an interesting if not fascinating issue.   I hope you'll take the time to return as and/or after you get advice and let us know what you've learned.
cynpen Feb 2020
GardenArtist, I certainly will.
Sendhelp Jan 2020
See the article here on AC, "The top 5 strategies for protecting your money from Medicaid."
I searched for "Community spouse assets".

Taken from that article:

"An important feature of the Medicaid laws is that transfers between spouses are permitted, are not subject to the look-back period and thus do not result in any penalty. In the case of a married couple, one basic Medicaid-planning strategy is to transfer any assets that are in the name of the spouse who needs care to the name of the well spouse. (In cases where the ill spouse is in an institutionalized setting like a nursing home and the well spouse remains in their home in the community, the well spouse may be referred to as the “community spouse”).

See a tax CPA specializing in "community spouse".

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Sendhelp Jan 2020
Suggest you seek counsel from an expert. Start with the term "community spouse" to discover your mother's legal rights to have income and assets counted as separate from the spouse in a NH on Medicaid.

I know nothing about it, just that this concept does exist.

GardenArtist Jan 2020
Another thought - I'm not sure that mineral rights royalties would be considered "earned income" as you've described it.   Categorization of income makes a difference in how it's treated.

GardenArtist Jan 2020
Becky is right. Sale of mineral rights can be complicated.   It goes well beyond the issue of how to file.

Just did some quick checking.   Sale of mineral rights could be considered sale of business property, raising the issue of whether it's a gain or loss and whether it's an operating and income producing business venture.      

I have no idea whatsoever how Medicaid would treat an operating, income producing, or losing, commercial venture in mineral rights.

I have vague recollections about the issue of mineral rights values during real estate transactions, including whether or not the rights actually passed to a new owner if a property subject to mineral rights was sold.    That was quite a while ago though.

And I also have vague recollections of prohibitions on sales of mineral rights in some states.   And while I don't claim to have any insight or expertise on this issue, I believe there may be considerations of whether or not the wells are still viable and producing, affecting their value, and perhaps linking to the issue of a business sale consideration.   

This is a highly complex area; you need an accountant familiar with mineral rights to guide you and probably an elder law attorney after that to address the issue of business income, producing well, gain or loss.   Otherwise costly mistakes could be made.

https://www.irs.gov/irm/part4/irm_04-041-001

See this site, toward the end of the article:

https://www.caddominerals.com/resource-center/resources-for-owners/tax-forms-all-mineral-rights-owners-should-know-about/
cynpen Jan 2020
Thank you for your time!!
JoAnn29 Jan 2020
I agree you need a CPA. The only time I have heard of someone who claimed head of household was my daughter. She was single raising a child. Your Mom is not single. She is still married even though Dad is in a NH.

anonymous972110 Jan 2020
You need to get a CPA to do her taxes. Even though dividend checks are low now. They could go up the next month. Mineral rights dividends are not a do it yourself project.

BarbBrooklyn Jan 2020
You need to consult with a certified Eldercare attorney. Did you do that before dad sold the mineral rights to mom?
cynpen Jan 2020
Yes

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