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realtime Asked June 2022

How can we help our caregiving cousin before she collapses?

I'm one of a group of cousins (First, second, third cousins twice removed, etc.) whose matriarch (aunt/great aunt/cousin) had to go to long-term care a few months ago after a fall, an operation, and deepening dementia. Well into her 90s, she's not thriving and we know she's dying.


Her daughter, "Alice," has been her caregiver for several years. Alice, now in her 60s, has several serious medical problems and it's clear that she's close to physical collapse herself. She has already had one medical emergency of her own since her mother's fall. I have seen her. I don't know how she keeps going.


We know Alice needs to start planning her own future and preparing for life alone. Her mother's affairs are "in order," but complicated and a lot needs to be done to keep things on an even keel.


Alice spends most of her days at her mother's side, although her mother no longer recognizes her, and is in good hands. We know Alice isn't eating regular meals, sleeping properly or taking care of her own personal hygiene. We know that the nice home she shared with her mother is filthy and deteriorating around her. We know mail is going unanswered, bills unpaid, etc., although there are funds available to pay them. We worry that our matriarch may outlive Alice, if only by a few weeks or months.


Only one of the cousin/relative group lives nearby; the others of us are out of state. The local connection visits our matriarch every day, so that Alice can feel free to get away and take care of her own needs. I traveled there for a week after Alice's mother was first hospitalized to help out --- but I live 600 miles away. We all stay in regular contact with Alice by phone.


But, we see a disaster coming. Alice is definitely going to collapse; financial matters are likely to get complicated; Alice shares her mother's POA with her only sibling, a convicted felon whom we don't trust to protect Alice's share of the estate; Alice has named no POA of her own. Among the cousins we have the expertise, experience, and time (most of us are retired) to put Alice's and her mother's affairs in order, protect Alice, ensure that both of them are getting the care they need (fortunately, finances aren't an issue for them), settle the estate, etc., etc. But, we don't have any standing to insist that she accept our help! The closest relatives are first cousins; the rest are more remote.


I think we need to stage an intervention. A few of us simply need to go there, in coordination with the only local relative, and deploy to deal with the different issues facing Alice and her mother. She'll protest and cry, but I think she'd finally cooperate. But of course, if she doesn't cooperate we can't achieve much because we can't talk to banks, lawyers, realtors, doctors, etc., on her or their behalf.


What do you think? What would you do? Does an intervention make sense?

ClaraKate Jul 2022
It sounds to me like Alice is a wonderful, compassionate, caring person who has become overwhelmed.
Instead of an 'intervention", where she might feel accused and defensive, maybe you could consider an "appreciation party".
Surpirse her with a cake and "gifts" from each family member. Each gift could be a small gift box with a card citing something she has done to bless you, and what you will do to thank her.
For example: Thank you Alice for keeping house, cleaning, and laundering for our Aunt. We know you are unable to do as much, because you are sitting with her. My gift to you is that my partner and I are going to spend the weekend cleaning and laundering for you to get you caught back up. You have blessed us, and now we are so happy to be able to bless you!
Another family member could "gift" a day of sitting with your Aunt while their partner sits down with Alice to catch up her bills and goes to the bank to shift everything to auto draft.
Another family member could gift sitting with her while their partner takes her out for lunch, a pedicure, etc.
A local family member could set up an ap on her phone for online weekly grocery ordering, and gift her the weekly pick up and delivery of groceries and prescriptions (cleaning out old items and putting the new groceries in the fridge would be an unspoken part of that weekly gift).
You have a wonderful, amazing, supportive family, and I am so glad you are all there to help each h other.
Ariadnee Jul 2022
How thoughtful! Maybe, at the end of the party, someone will ask Alice if she would like to take a short walk with them. Then everyone left could do a quick, clean up of the house-like take out the trash, sweep the porch, dishes done. When she comes back, a small bouquet of flowers would be nice. Then, of course, sort out how and who can keep helping her-as already mentioned here.
Perhaps a daily phone call to her as well, caregivers often feel very alone and isolated doing this, it might be nice to have someone else to talk to, other than yourself : )
Lots of great advice here!
BurntCaregiver Jun 2022
Realtime, can I just say that you and your family are probably the greatest family in the world. 'Alice' is a very lucky woman because so many of us have been years enslaved to caregiving with no family support whatsoever.
I think it's a terrific idea to have an intervention of the cousins for Alice. Seeing everyone there just waiting to start helping her will probably be what it takes to get her to accept the help she needs.
Then you can finally start getting things done. Like fixing the house, and paperwork, and all kinds of other stuff.
Let me ask you something. What was Alice's life like before she became a caregiver to her mother? Did she have a decent life? Or was her mother always in control of it? Even when there's love between mom and adult child, this often plays a big part in why someone feels they have to be there 24/7 by mom's side. Even if there was abuse too like with me.
Alice also needs to be reminded of who she was before caregiving. I had forgotten my life before becoming a nanny-slave to my mother. I went so deep down the rabbit hole of depression and despondency that I didn't care if I lived or died. Yet, I still had to serve 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for years.
My ex-husband (who I now call my soon-to-be-former-ex-husband because we're back together) pulled me out of it and I started to remember what my life was like before and it was good.
Other arrangements are being made for my mother. I am done with caregiving. Alice needs to have other arrangements made too. Number one, is she needs to go to therapy to help get her mental health together and to help her break away from the enmeshed relationship she has with her mother.
She needs to get her physical health in order too. Caregivers so often neglect their own health because they just don't care. I became obese and inactive. I ate bad food, drank alcohol, and took smoking back up. I'm almost two years smoke-free. I've taken much of the weight off. About half of caregivers die before the people they are caring for. Get Alice checked out by a doctor and into therapy. It will help.
Since you and your family are willing to actually help Alice and not just talk at her like so many others, when she sees the lot of you all together at the intervention, I'm sure she will be on board with allowing people to help her.
Good luck to you, your cousins, and Alice. Please keep us updated here because I want to know what happens next.

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realtime Jun 2022
Burntcaregiver, thank you for saying we're a "great family." If we are, it's because people like Alice are part of it. She was there for me when I was caring for my mother and fell critically ill myself. She coordinated my mother's care until my brother could make arrangements, monitored my care until my daughter could get there (I was unconscious), supported my daughter and mother emotionally until I was out of danger. I owe her.

I can tell you've "been there" and are speaking from experience. Congratulations on coming out the other side.

Isthisrealyreal Jun 2022
I agree with Vegaslady, give it a try.

But! I think everyone pitching in and getting the house cleaned, doing any maintenance or arraigning the work and being a personal aid, as in chauffeur, grocery shopper, cook that fills the freezer with prepared meals, doing errands, etc. would be really helpful. She sounds like she got overwhelmed and is now buried with to much that needs to be done. Don't ask her, just do it.

Help her be able to see the light at the end of this caregiving tunnel.

God bless you all for helping her during this difficult time.
anytown Jun 2022
I think this is the better approach. I think something a-la '12 step intervention' style could be perceived as an aggressive take of control coming at her, with the 'check the box' 'at least we tried' to take everyone off the hook when/if it fails
vegaslady Jun 2022
I say give it a try and let her know you care and have concerns. If it doesn't work you have tried. If it doesn't work now try again after her mother has passed.

Elle1970 Jul 2022
I hope some of you have already given Alice practical help. Cleaning the house, help her manage her affairs etc. I know from experience that talk of help and sympathy without action is useless. The first part of the intervention should be to clean up Alice's house for her.

Terrysmellgood Jul 2022
I think an intervention makes perfect sense, as long as you mix it with the heart you so desire to show her. Don’t make it appear as control, but purely help. Clean her house, wash her dishes and clothes, detail her car, go through the mail. But the whole time do it with the greatest show of compassion anyone could understand.

You are an amazing family to consider such an effort.

And what about after your chores? What will happen then? Maybe you should consider a twice a week caregiver for Alice. Someone to come clean, wash clothes, sort mail, etc.

I am in my mid 60’s. My bride of nearly 32 years is living with Alzheimer’s. Today this 67 y.o. beauty of mine can’t tell me my name, nor those of our 5 children, or any grandchild. I, like Alice, find it hard to manage my own life because of the desire to help Jan know I will always be here for her.

Every, and I mean every single family member has encouraged me to place my bride in a memory care facility. But as yet, I cannot. - I am fortunate in that I too have the means to have caregivers help me every day. But it still is physically and emotionally draining. - I see the wisdom in my family’s encouragement to seek out a care facility, but still, I’m not in a place yet where I feel I cannot go any further.

Forgive me if Bible verses offend, I mean not to do so. But there are two verses that keep me going:

”All things work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose.” My purpose, which I willingly accept, is to care for my bride.

And:

“Greater love has no man than he lay down his life for a friend.”
Jan is my best friend. I will do my best to lay down my best for her. I will keep doing this as long as I am able.
Laineyisat Jul 2022
Terry,

God bless you. I pray that you are able to access the grace and strength that you need to fulfill your purpose. I get on my knees every morning and thank God for His mercies that are new every morning for me, asking Him to live through me as I care for my mother and now also my mother in law. I pray that you are able to give Him all the worries and that you feel the smile of God upon you today....

Lainey
Tynagh Jun 2022
Alice is lucky to have all the help.

Geaton777 Jun 2022
Cleaning and repairing her home would be a lovely start, if she doesn't mind people coming in and doing things to "her stuff". If she has become a hoarder, she absolutely will become extremely angry at anyone touching or discarding her things (even if it obviously garbage).

Or, start by asking her: if there's one thing you could have taken off your plate (or fixed), what would it be? And if she draws a blank you could suggest a few things and see what she says. Maybe only one cousin at a time interacts with her so she doesn't feel pushed.

Maybe someone can offer to sit with her mom so she can have breaks and do some self-care.

As she gets used to people helping her then someone can have the conversation with her about getting her own ducks in a row, encouraging her to consult with an elder law attorney to discuss how the felon on the mother's PoA can be dealt with, if at all. Hopefully at that consult she'll choose to assign a PoA for herself (and this should be someone at least a full generation younger than her). She should also be encouraged to find her Mother's Will so that it is at hand when the time comes.

Hopefully she'll be open to going in for medical attention, accompanied by a trusted relative. I wish you all the best as you attempt to bless her with your generous help!
Isthisrealyreal Jun 2022
Nothing was said to indicate hoarding.

When people are overwhelmed, it is easier to just lovingly help without permission. Because when you ask they feel like they need to participate and they don't have the ability, so no is always the answer.

If it is a hoarding situation, won't take her long to reproduce her hoard. Speaking from personal experience.
realtime Jun 2022
Thank you all for your generous and helpful suggestions. One way or another, you all seem to agree that we need to *make something happen* to make things better for Alice and her mother. Whether it's a full fledged intervention or something more subtle, we'll have to decide among ourselves, but we can't let this situation go on.

It's odd that I hadn't thought about speaking to someone from Alice's church. I know she doesn't attend regularly --- I doubt the clergy at her (very large) church would know her --- but she might welcome the contact. I'll think about how to approach it. But that would be in addition to whatever the family decides to do, not in place of doing something.

Forgive me if I haven't responded individually to your kind suggestions --- I'm suddenly very sleepy. I wish you all well with your own concerns.

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