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Jane727 Asked July 2022

How can I obtain any past documentation?

So my mother has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Before her diagnosis, she was living in NJ. We had not been in contact with one another for over three years. Now because of her illness, she lived with me for a few months before we could secure an ALF.


 


She's been living in an ALF for over a year. Now, they are kicking her out due to inappropriate behavioral issues. To keep her closer to where I reside, we need to be able to prove she used to live in the nearby county. Unfortunately, due to her illness and the number of years that passed (almost 22 years), we cannot gain access to any proof she used to live in the neighboring county.


 


Does anybody have any suggestions? I am running out of time and at my wit's end.


 


Thank you in advance for any information or guidance you can offer.

JoAnn29 Jul 2022
Good! Like I said, never heard of having to prove what county you live in. You apply in the County the NH is in.

Jane727 Jul 2022
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I just learned yesterday evening that she was approved for an LTC nursing facility. So, I am no longer required to obtain the necessary documentation from the neighboring county.

I appreciate all of the messages; I was getting desperate and feeling defeated.

Blessings,
Jane

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reallyfedup Jul 2022
All these answers have great suggestions. If she owned a house that was her residence, you could check in her county's property records. Most are online and easy to access. There might be information there you could use.

vegaslady Jul 2022
Voters registration records, utility records might be other sources to search. Odd to have to provide this info.

MJ1929 Jul 2022
Check with the DMV if she had a driver's license 22 years ago.

We left California for 13 years, and when we moved back we were given the same license numbers we had before we left. In fact, mine is the same as the one I received when I got my first license in 1977.

If your DMV is like the one here, they don't seem to ever toss out any information.

JoAnn29 Jul 2022
Who is asking for this info? Are you trying to get her on Medicaid? I live in NJ and the County you live in has nothing to do with getting Medicaid as far as I know. I am from Salem County. If I would want to place my Mom in a NH in Gloucester County with Medicaid paying, I go to the Gloucester County Social Services and apply thru them. It does not matter what County u reside! It matters what County the NH is in. NJ Medicaid is NJ Medicaid.

igloo572 Jul 2022
What entity is asking for residency documentation?
& they want documents from over 2 decades ago? It seems odd 2 me.

I do know that for when it’s an intestate death and the heirs have got to provide documentation they are the only heirs and the now deceased & / or their also deceased spouse were married before, that for those, the attorney doing the lineal heirship filing can seek out old neighbors or old church pastors / members to have them do a notarized and witnessed document attesting that they knew of no children from the couples prior marriages….. so no plausible heirs from old marriage. Atty files it in probate court. There are probate attorneys who only do lineal heirship work. Maybe something like this could work?

Is it that she is applying for LTC Medicaid program?

GardenArtists idea of getting Title Co to do a search is excellent. Title Co run queries by an individuals name all the time to look if they have any judgements or liens against them and can go back decades.

AnnReid Jul 2022
Maybe a long shot, but have you asked the ALF for a referral to THEIR geriatric psychiatrist?

If you are dealing with THEIR specialist you might find them a little more willing to give her another chance.

If not, you can offer her diagnostic info to anew facility, hopefully allowing her a better chance in a new start with a new facility.

Be sure to request a written statement of her diagnosis as part of the written report of her diagnosis.

That document REALLY helped to get my sweet (but VERY DIFFICULT) LO the services she needed AND also helped ME when dealing with her social security, other financial entanglements, other geriatric connections and complications.

Good luck with this. It was ver tough for me to be told my former bank President LO was being “naughty”, but ultimately it all worked out for her and for me.

GardenArtist Jul 2022
Sounds like the residence issue is an excuse or cover for the fact that behavioral issues are apparently involved. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an "if A, then B, or if not A, then B and if not B, then C.. I.E., there might be a list of options to try to push her out.

As to documenting residence, even though 22 years have past, you might consider;

1. old checking account statement, old bills, and going to the taxing authority in the old county and requesting copies of paid bills.

2. Another method might be available, depending....title companies check paid taxes for properties, back to the previous owners. Title policies for years haven't gone into more detailed title issues prior to the last ownership changes, unless they're tax issues, easements, or other issues that are either beneficial or detrimental. (I.e., access and beneficial easements such as utilities would typically be list, b/c they benefit the property.)

You'd have to pay, but a title company could probably get old tax statements easier than you could. However, those also could be refused by the AL facility.

You might want to "turn the tables" on whoever is mandating this documentation, providing suggestions of data you KNOW you can obtain, and ask this individual which one he/she wants and would be acceptable.

3. Did the county refuse to provide data as requested? Could her bank provide the data?

Honestly, though, this residence issue sounds to me like a stalling issue, perhaps in hope that you'll give up and find another residence.

As to the behavioral issues, are they such that they constitute grounds for pushing her out?

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