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reg1234 Asked January 2023

Dad's death end of life guilt. Any advice?

My dad passed a few weeks ago. He had a medical procedure that went wrong and due to his already poor health it caused a chain reaction. Lots of surgeries were done and procedures to try and save him. He was a diabetic dialysis patient, the surgeon never told us it was possible he wouldn't heal. The hospital Dr stopped me in the hallway told me my dad would never heal and was very sick. She said don't blame us if something happens and she's telling me the reality. I tried to ask questions and she immediately went on her phone and was scrolling on fb. I was angry as this hadn't been mentioned before and she seemed to care less. She wanted me to decide to end his dialysis treatment and start hospice that day. I asked to speak to the surgeon again and we were going to give my dad time to heal. She continued harassing me daily about ending my father's life and guilting me that he was suffering. He needed a couple more procedures and it was more then he could take. He started getting afib and almost fainted during the dialysis treatment. This Dr contacted a heart Dr and my dad's nephrologist about putting him on end of life care. The nephrologist told me I'm only thinking of myself and being selfish and my dad wouldn't heal. As I mentioned we were never told any of this by the surgeon, we were given hope that he would get better. They treated me like I was a monster torturing my dad who I love and care for. I signed the paperwork that night, but immediately felt regret that I hadn't thought it through enough. I felt guilted and pressured by everyone. I tried stopping it to give my dad more time but he had more complications. I didn't want him to suffer. He died 2 days later. I feel like a murderer, I felt backed against a wall and guilted by everyone to sign. I tried to make the choice for myself and give my dad time but I just didn't want him to suffer in the end. My dad's surgeon was kind and compassionate he gave facts but no pressure or guilt about things. He said it's my choice. I just feel like an awful person and I miss my dad so much.

reg1234 Jan 2023
Thank you to everyone who has commented. It's helped me alot today. We have to pick up my dad's ashes today and I think it's retriggering me all over again and just thinking about things. I've been having a hard time since last night. This whole thing has been one of the hardest situations I've ever dealt with. I wish you all peace and comfort whoever has lost a family member too.
AlvaDeer Jan 2023
Our caring thoughts go out to you. Give yourself time. This is what grieving is like. Let yourself grieve and feel the pain.
BarbBrooklyn Jan 2023
Reg, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Surgeons, at least some of them are notorious for not seeing the "big picture" of a patient's health. It sounds like that may have been the case with your dad.

Every hospital has a patient advocate office. I would encourage you to reach out and set up a meeting with them. Go in with a bulleted list of issues--the lack of adequate explanation beforehand and a disregard of your father's OTHER serious health conditions.

I think this will make you feel better and may result in bringing this surgeon's short-sightedness to light.
NeedHelpWithMom Jan 2023
I love this suggestion!

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oldageisnotfun Jan 2023
So sorry to hear about your dilemma situation. It sounds like your dad was very sick and I'm really sorry to hear about his suffering from various illnesses.

You saw your dad suffering so much. Any son or daughter would wouldn't want to see anyone they love in such pain. This has to be among the most difficult situation there is in life.

There is so much pain for you right now, loss of your dad, plus on top of this the pain of having to make this decision. We don't get to choose, but I wouldn't want any one to suffer after what seemed like a long journey of recuperation after each of the surgeries, this is torture. I wouldn't want to suffer like that myself or see anyone I love in such agony.

This is toughest decision to ever make and I wouldn't want anyone to be in this situation. I think in your case it was a joint decision based on the doctor's advice, although it was persistent advice from your doctor's, there has to be a reason for them to repeatedly ask you.

You saw your dad suffering so much and because you love him so much you didn't want to see that.

I would also seek professional regular counselling advice and help, you shouldn't have to go through these thoughts alone, maybe the hospital is able to help here.

so sorry for you loss, if you reading any answers, I wish you peace.
reg1234 Jan 2023
Thank you for your kind words and thoughtful reply. I'm currently seeing a therapist, she also wants me to see a grief counselor through hospice. I may consider it in a bit. Things are so fresh still and not sure if I'm ready to be in that environment yet. Thanks again.
Daughterof1930 Jan 2023
I’m sorry for your loss. I’ve lost a dad I was very close with, and know the pain is hard to cope with. In my experience, surgeons like to do surgeries, and they’re good at it, but not much good past that. Follow up care and decisions aren’t their interest or strong suit. That’s where other doctors kick in and make decisions. They do the best they know know with the facts before them, but medicine is not an exact science. I believe people die when they are meant to, most often when old age and it’s multiple health issues mount up and just take over. It’s the natural course of life, we’re all headed there. That doesn’t make it easier, but guilt doesn’t help either. I hope you can accept what’s happened, know your precious dad is at peace, and come to some peace as you grieve and move forward
reg1234 Jan 2023
Thank you. I'm very sorry about the loss of your dad as well. Yes it was mentioned by the other two doctors the same about the surgeon that he's not looking at the whole picture about my dad's health. At the end I also believe my dad died on his own. He had all the symptoms of nearing death (they told me some and recently I looked online and he had every one). At the end it wasn't really my choice or the doctors I think just his time as you said. It's just hard when you feel you play a part in deciding that for your parent. I understand what you are saying though the guilt won't help. Thank you.
laniesgirl Jan 2023
My heart goes out to you. My beloved father passed away 7 months ago. I’m processing the trauma of how things played out in the hospital and aftermath re/ our mother’s care. I’ve worked as a chaplain and a psychologist in hospital settings at different points in my career. I offer is this:

1) Find a seasoned grief counselor who also works with traumatic grief with whom you can process your grief and the trauma of being pressured by the uncompassionate doctor. You were truly doing the best you could under the hardest of circumstances. You may know this to be true intellectually-talking it through w/ a competent therapist can help it eventually FEEL true.

2) what would you say to someone you care about struggling w/ what you are? what would your father say to you about this? What would he want you to know right now?

One thing clearly comes through in your sharing-you made decisions out of love. That is indisputable…sending a hug from one grieving child to another

lealonnie1 Jan 2023
Don't blame yourself or feel guilty for something you had no control of, and no knowledge about, reg. You were not given the full picture of what might occur with your dad, should he undergo this surgery while having diabetes and kidney failure. The onus was on the DOCTORS to speak to you about the possible ramifications of this procedure, and not to leave you in the dark about such matters. Doctors are not the gods they THINK they are, nor should they have treated you in such a foul and disgusting manner as they did, coercing you into making an immediate decision about dad's end of life care. Shame on THEM. I believe you made THE right decision in that regard, and spared your dear dad any possible pain & suffering he may have endured.

You have no reason to feel like an awful person b/c you did nothing wrong. I understand you miss your dad and this loss is tremendous. May God bless you and help you through this grief you're experiencing, giving you mercy and peace the entire time.
reg1234 Jan 2023
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your kindness. I think that is what also just truly haunts me is how I was spoken to and treated at the hospital. Those words just stay with you. After awhile it's hard to know who to believe and I just wanted to do the right thing by my dad and his life. I hope and pray I did. This whole situation besides his death has really tormented me. I appreciate your prayers too.
NeedHelpWithMom Jan 2023
I am so sorry for your loss.

My dad had heart surgery in his later years. He wanted to take the risk. He came through the surgery fine.

But he had a stroke while he was still in the hospital recovering from his surgery.

My mom blamed herself. I will tell you what I told my mom. It’s NOT your fault.

Your dad knew that you loved him, just like my dad knew that mom and all of us (children) loved him.

We can’t possibly predict or prevent every bad thing from happening.

You are grieving. Your dad would not want you to blame yourself.
reg1234 Jan 2023
Thank you ❤️ I'm sorry for your loss too.
babsjvd Jan 2023
I’m sorry for what you are going thru… hugs and condolences..

my moms hospice had grief counseling. Reach out to them.

The dr was insensitive , for sure. the surgeon told you it was your choice, he must have felt it was time for your dad to stop all the procedures.

my opinion .. you gave your dad the best gift possible.

freqflyer Jan 2023
reg1234, welcome to the forum. So sorry about the passing of your Dad.

Can you give us more information, such as your Dad's age, and what were his health issues. It will help us get a better idea of the situation.
reg1234 Jan 2023
My dad had diabetes and was a dialysis patient. He ended up needing an amputation on his toes on both feet. He had another wound due to an unnecessary medical procedure. All were slow healing but we were never told by surgeon he wouldn't heal. We knew things were serious but everything we did for my dad was to try and help him.
Cover999 Jan 2023
(((((((Hugs)))))))

Im sorry about your dad. The hospital sounds like so many. Some people may not know, but many hospitals don't want to deal with "failure" , like the one your dad was at. "Failure" is quickly dealt with, so they can deal with helping the living.

The Hospital Doc sounds like many who know there is little chance for recovery, want this dealt with, so the room can be used to treat those still alive.

Again I'm sorry about your dad.
reg1234 Jan 2023
That's how I felt that my dad was just a number and they couldn't care less. It seems hospitals want patients that are young and recover easily and you better do it quickly. Everyday the Dr kept saying well if something happens to him it's not that we aren't giving him good care. I never even thought that. Seemed they were more worried about covering their butts than anything.
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