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Brywczynski Asked February 2023

Am I really a selfish, horrible person?

I joined another caretaker for stroke support group and attempted to share. I was called out and looked upon as a very selfish person as well as someone who needed to be educated. Since then I've been sitting in my own sh*t. Today the smell has gotten the best out of me. I'm tired of feeling like I am the only one holding it together. I'm tired of grieving for someone who's not dead but becomes so sad when the thought comes up about him dying. I'm tired of always being the positive person. The fixer/smooth it out kind of person with behaviors. I'm tired of missing human touch by a man. I miss not sleeping with him. I'm tired of feeling like I am the only one who really gives a rat’s a*s. I'm tired of his non-compliant behavior when it comes to his health. I’m tired of the mind games. I'm tired of being treated like sh*t at times. I'm tired of the place I live, that is supposed to be a comfort base being everything but that. I’m tired of working as a nurse full time and coming home to do my other caregiver job. I try and try so hard. I never put me first. I know whenever it is his time, I’m going to be lost because my routine in life is surrounded around him. I have resentments and fears over this whole situation. I have 35 years of sobriety. I quit going to meetings after his stroke because I worked full time, took care of his/our children at that time (their assaults now) and his mother until she died. I just started to go back to meetings last year. Now I’m starting to do old behaviors… isolation, not going to meetings, slacking on calling my sponsor and I know that’s have of my problem. Because I feel trapped. People say that I’m in an abusive marriage by manipulation, controlling and verbal abuse. Because of the things he says to me. People say “You should just leave ". Then theirs me thoughts of him taking his own life if I would leave. Me thinking what kind of life does he have? He didn’t ask for this to happen. But then I start thinking about before the stroke he couldn’t hold a job. I did everything for his children. I did all the things that needed to be done around the house. I ignored all of these facts because He helped me when we first met because I had just got out of a 14 year abusive relationship with my first husband. I was so broken, so fearful so lost. He helped rebuild me, don’t get me wrong I did a lot of the work with sponsors, meetings and soul healing. I live in the past before his stroke because that’s where I was happy. The tears begin to fall... I feel like all I do is waste peoples time bitching, complaining crying… because in the end. I stay. Now he has another infected toe on his good foot. Lost toe toes on the other foot the same way. Won’t go see the doctor. Won’t go to the ER. So I’m playing nurse at home trying everything to avoid the same outcome as last, and still I stay. I do everything for him from bathing wiping cooking serving dressing. I love him. But am I still in love with him. What is love? I believe it’s my actions. Then why can’t he do the same for me with things he still is capable of doing. I even had someone once say... you must like it. If you didn’t you would have left a long time ago. I’m tired of the constant chaos in my life. I have my own health issues of my own. But does it stop me… NO. Because that’s me. Some people say... You’re so strong. Not really...If you could only see under the masks I wear. Don’t mean to be a downer... Just being real.

Way2tired Feb 2023
@Brywczynski. DO NOT give hubby a heads up that you will not be letting him back home to be with you the next time he ends up in the ER. He will refuse to go to the ER then. He may also make your life miserable for saying that .
Don’t tell him he’s not coming home until he’s in the hospital . Tell the hospital social worker that you can not care for him anymore and that he’s unsafe at home alone . You can also call APS now and see if they can get him removed from your home asap because he’s not safe alone at home .
Way2tired Feb 2023
You can try 911 . But 911 may not take him if he refuses . Happened to me with my mother . Which is why I suggested APS.
LucyBear Feb 2023
I'm sorry I don't have any real advice but I want you to know how amazing you are. 35 years of sobriety is so admirable and you should be proud of yourself. You have been through so much and have so much on your plate as a nurse, mom and caregiver. You are one tough cookie. I hope things get better for you soon because you deserve so much more out of life than this.
Brywczynski Feb 2023
You said alot! An thank you on my sobriety. I know myself....I take daily personal inventory over my day. Make amends when I need to. Smile when Ive made a difference. And thank God for the serenity prayer!

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golden23 Feb 2023
No you are not selfish and horrible. If fact you need to care about yourself more. You seem to be in some kind of mental agony. Understandably from your you wrote. That's a strong signal to make some changes in your life - changes that will make your life better.

Practically your husband needs help, but you don't have to be the one helping him. Working a responsible job then coming home to another job with an abusive person is too much for anyone,

Can you please just look at the present, never mind the past, and make some plans for his care and a release for you. Love is mercy and justice. There is no mercy for you in this situation and no justice for him. It's out of balance and you are carrying the heavy end.

You have your sobriety to care for - congratulations on 35 years. Please keep your needs in the forefront. If you fall you both do in the present situation. You need more of your time and energy for you. Do whatever you have to to make your life good. Let go of controlling him. It isn't working anyway, is it?

Control/change your own life. Let him work on his. You deserve better than being treated like sh*t!
Brywczynski Feb 2023
Thank you for the love and support. I started journaling again and have opened up in this group. You have all made me feel safe! I dont feel like a failure right now. An thats thanks to this group. I called my sponsor and got real with her again. Im going to to touch base with her daily to keep myself in check. " To thy own self be true ".
ChoppedLiver Feb 2023
In your post, I believe you said you are a nurse full-time. My goodness! You are just burnt out and no where to recover. Plus it sounds like you have used all the good life skills that you have been taught for coping. Kudos for recognizing that you need help. Kudos for staying on the "clean" side.

I'm hoping that you work for a company that has medical benefits. If so, please seek help through a therapist. Caring for a stroke victim is extremely hard. You will need new life skills for that.

You are a caring person. Being a strong person doesn't mean that you have to take on all challenges by yourself. Please seek the help of a therapist so that you can make it through these new challenges that are being thrown at you.
Brywczynski Feb 2023
I just told my husband this morning that in March, actually the 19th my 90 days are up and Im going to look for a therapist. His response is hum drum " I think its time for me to go into a nurse home " then he goes back to sleep. Didnt want to talk about it. Didnt want to participate in the reasearch for it. Just went to bed. I know from the past this is not going to be easy. The times he agreed to go to the hospital once he realized what he decided to do and couldnt smoke he turned into a complete you know what. So im just not reacting, which is a hard thing for me. I want to run over and make him sit up and make him eat and spread him with love so he stops with this mental shut down he does. But I know I cant. An yes he already takes meds for depression. An so do I. Its so hard bot to give in to unhealthy behavior for me. But im standing firm. He sees his doctor in March, thats if his toe beats it first. Im planning to bring this discussion up with his doctor. Until then...I fell yesterday doing a good deed. My neighbor/maintenance man just had surgery and when I was getting us something to eat I picked up something for him. After giving it to him i feel off his step. I was soooo embarrassed! I have RA really bad along with other fun aging diagnosis's. So already not feeling good and after that tumble. I called off work because of feeling like crap. For the first time....I dont feel guilty about it. There's no way I could have played nurse today. So im just taking it easy for once. LOL each time I get an old unhealthy action thought in my head to fix this moment. I get muscle pain or joint pain. An I stop. Im finding putting my pain first. Thanks for being here!
lealonnie1 Feb 2023
From the OPs profile:

About Me
I have been a geriatric nurse for 25 years. Ive been a care giver my whole life. My husband had a massive stroke in 2010 and almost died. He had suffered from grand mal seizures as a side effect. He is noncompliant and manipulating. Im tired of being in the same rut. Im over weight and have health issues of my own. My husband is unsafe at home alone due to falls and poor decision making on his part. I do love him but this is destroying my own health along with mental help. Im tired of living in the past. Am dreading the future.

If your DH is not safe at home alone due to falls & poor decision making on his part, he should not BE home alone. Look into getting him placed in a SNF with Medicaid funding the costs if you have no assets to self pay (as most of us don't). Way2tired has good advice about the next time he ends up in the ER and refusing to accept him back home. That does NOT make you a 'selfish horrible' person at all, but one who recognizes her limitations AND her DH's real needs which can only be fulfilled in a managed care environment. And helped by teams of people working in shifts 24/7/365.

Why is it that women (mostly) are told we have to die at the altar of caring for others, otherwise we're 'selfish horrible' people. Nobody's walked in your shoes except YOU, for a very long time now. So only YOU can determine when enough is enough and DH has to be moved. You deserve a life too, which means you can go visit him DAILY if you'd like, but you get to go home alone and SLEEP and get restorative help that way w/o having to worry yourself sick about DH.

As far as your sobriety goes, 35 years is a LONG time to be sober! Congratulations! Do you still wish you could have a drink when the going gets tough? If so, definitely get back to AA and in touch with your sponsor, the whole 9 yards. I've been sober since 2008 and I don't think about having a drink anymore, even when a big life crisis strikes. So while I know I'm never more than 1 drink away from a relapse, my mind doesn't instruct me to go there anymore. It's simply not an option. And the past few years have been hell on earth as far as stress goes/health issues, and all sorts of reasons TO have a drink. But I just don't even consider it anymore, thank God. Your sobriety needs to be #1 on your list or else it will fall down to the BOTTOM of the list & you know what THAT means. :(

Wishing you the best of luck with a difficult situation. Please remove yourself from 'support groups' that do not offer you the support you need and deserve.
Brywczynski Feb 2023
Hello my sober sister! I lost the wanting to drink a long time ago. Thanks to God Great sponsors and the people in the rooms that keep you honest. Along with my willingness. Ive been doing the " Acceptance " approach. Focus on my side of the street. I just need to get my ass back to 2 meetings a week. For socialization and to forget about stress for an hour. Focus on someone elses issues instead of mine. Getting in touch with the women at the meetings. It also prevents me to not isolate. I'm so excited with your share. Today has been a good day! Hope to talk soon!
AlvaDeer Feb 2023
So you didn't cause this and you can't fix it. And the sacrifice of your own life on this living funeral pyre will help nothing.
It is time for placement, for separation of finances. He didn't ask for this, but IT IS HERE. And nothing will ever change that.
You at least are using the right G-word. Which is grief. You feel grief because you stand witness to honest suffering and you have human limitations; you aren't God, You can't change it. The word some choose is the "other" g-word, which is guilt. It isn't for anyone to suffer guilt here. No one caused this. No one can fix this.
I think there is little recompense in being told you are strong. To me I see only that you are willing to give up your life because his has been taken from him. To me that doesn't make sense.
Consider placement, separation of finances, and supporting him with gentle visits for so long as he has to suffer this life.
I am so sorry. Not everything can be fixed. And this most CERTAINLY cannot.
Brywczynski Feb 2023
I did reply back to you but it posted as a new post.
NeedHelpWithMom Feb 2023
Oh honey, I feel your pain! I’m so very sorry that you are in this horrific situation.

Lady, you have been through hell and back in your life and may I say that you come across as an extremely wise woman who is desperately struggling to cope with the crappy hand that you were dealt.

You say that your husband didn’t ask for this, that is certainly true, but neither have you asked for this. No one ever desires to be faced with challenges such as what you currently have.

Sadly, this is your reality for now and I sincerely hope that you will find a way to break free from it.

I will always remember something that my grandfather once said to me. He believed that heaven and hell was right here on earth. Sometimes it feels that way, doesn’t it? This is like living in hell for you.

Congrats on your sobriety! It’s lovely that you are grateful that your husband supported you in your time of need. You were the one who chose to cooperate and worked the 12 steps. Good for you!

I do understand your frustration in regards to maintain your sobriety. I grew up with an addict. Sadly, my brother died several years ago from liver issues.

Please don’t feel like you owe a debt to your husband for supporting you. He chose to support you and you certainly have been by his side throughout his struggles. You now recognize that enough is enough, right?

You must place your needs equal to your husband. One person, whether they are a spouse or not can only do so much, especially in your specific circumstances.

Of course, you will grieve for what could have been if he hadn’t suffered a stroke. This is a completely normal reaction.

I know that your husband is younger than most people who live in a facility and you probably feel badly about that but I have occasionally seen younger people in a facility that do not have anyone to care for them in a home setting.

Have you considered placing him in a facility where he will be cared for 24/7? It truly is the best option for both of you.

Even if your husband was gracious for your care, it’s still too much to bear. It’s physically and emotionally draining to be a caregiver. You’re a nurse! So, you never have a break from it!

I am so sorry that people in your support group spoke harshly about your situation.

Was this ‘in person’ or online? Regardless of which, they are ignorant and haven’t walked in your shoes. People should also understand that not everyone wishes to be a martyr in life.

Unfortunately, some people are idiots and speak about things that they don’t know anything about. It happens in ‘in person and online’ groups as well.

I had the opposite situation as you in my ‘in person’ support group. I owe this to the fabulous licensed social worker who led the group.

The social worker carefully monitored everyone’s interactions with each other and no one said anything negative about another person in our group.

I wish that you would have had a positive experience. You don’t deserve to be kicked when you’re already down.

I have found tremendous support on this forum and I know that you will too. I cared for my mother for 14 years in my home. She had Parkinson’s disease and dementia. She lived to be 95 and died in a hospice care home.

Best wishes to you and after everything has been settled, please get some well deserved rest and do something special just for you!

Sending you a bazillion hugs and please keep us posted. We care.
Brywczynski Feb 2023
I cant thank you enough for your love and supporting words. You were my guardian angel that sent me a moment to breathe. I cant thank you enough for that one. Im so sorry to hear about your brother. When ever I give a lead before we say the Lords prayer I always ask for a moment of silence for the person who has suffered and is suffering inside and outside these rooms. I hope to stay in contact with you. I texted my sponsor and was honest with her about me taking some steps backwards where my program is concern. Were talking after she gets off work. Bur thank you from the bottom of my heart.
KNance72 Feb 2023
I would call 911 and have them take him to the ER If you can't get him there and after that Place him in a Rehab . Stop Letting His behavior control you .

JoAnn29 Feb 2023
We allow venting. Were your wedding vows mention in this group. I would bet if ur husband was in the same position, he would have left long ago. Those wedding vows were written by a man. Used to have honor and obey in them too but I asked they not be included. I would say if you can leave him to go to work, you can leave him. Let his children care for him. I hope urs together are not assaulting u?

Its one thing to care for someone who cooperates another to care for someone who doesn't help u help them. You are in a stressful job. My daughter is an RN. Would come home and was expected to do everything while her husband sat on the couch. Walked in one time at 8pm and was asked "whats for dinner" her response "you couldn't have ordered out?" A slip saying she was not happy had this man walk out on her. No problem, she had been fending for herself since she was 16 and worked all that time. She actually has not missed him. Once her house is clean, it stays that way.

You know whats going to happen to your husband if he doesn't take care of that toe, he is going to lose a leg. And if your there when it happens, tell the Hospital and Rehab that he is not returning home. That you will not be caring for him. He needs to go into 24/7 care. There is a way to make sure your assets are split. You can allow the State to become his guardian. Lots of people just leave and don't look back.
Brywczynski Feb 2023
Thank you for the support. I have already been honest with him today when he wouldnt get it checked out. I told him that if he lets it go like the other one and has to be placed in the hospital. He will not be returning back to our apartment. I have a plan now. Now its just a waiting game. " Thy will be done ".
Brywczynski Mar 2023
Today you would all be happy for me. I stood up for myself. Hes gotten really bad with communicating what he is trying to ask, say or point out. Pointing at the kitchen stating " are they going to fix that ?" My reply was I dont know what that is. Pointing at the kitchen is to vague. He started to get more and more frustrated and angry. Because I usually come to his rescue naming every single thing I see. NOT GOING TO DID IT. I told him Im tired of becoming his doormat when he gets mad because he cant communicate it. Its his issue not mine. I told him instead of watching all the things he watches on UTUBE maybe he needs to start watching cognative exercises for stroke survivors. So that was that. I know its not much but I like to live in the solution not the problem. Thanks again for all your love and guidance . I love this group!
NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2023
Yay! Good for you 👍.
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