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NeedHerOut Asked September 2023

Does anyone have advice on removing a parent from your home when they refuse to go?

4.5 years ago my mother wanted to move to our town and we built a house with a space for her. 2.5 years ago she had a medically-aborted stroke, and my family and I have since had to deal with her being violent, screaming at us, lying to us and lying about us. She has positioned us as the enemy. I've spent countless hours trying to find the best way to help her, found ALFs we could tour, and spent nearly a year trying to get her into a highly regarded care memory clinic to be evaluated. She has refused ALF visits and canceled multiple appointments. Instead, she's been relying on advice from questionably-motivated "friends", has removed me as POA, and seems to be changing her will to mostly exclude me (I am her only child). We've discovered from her actions and from her sister's information that my mother is and always has been a pathological liar and a narcissist. I'm not sure any more whether her issues are that or if theres dementia, and now we'll never know. When my health starting being really affected, my therapist recommended and my husband and I made the difficult decision to ask her to find another place to live. We gave her just over 2 months deadline. Now she has come back talking about elder abuse and some benefit she gets when she turns 80 (no clue what that could be), so she says she won't move out until her birthday, which is 4 months away. I didn't want to have to do the formal eviction process, but I threatened that when she said she refused. Spending the lawyer money isn't appealing especially since it may take that 4 months anyway. We never imagined it would go this way, and we really never wanted this, but we can't continue this way for the safety, physical and mental health of us or our children. Any (nice, helpful) thoughts? Advice?

Southernwaver Sep 2023
Don’t even tell her you are doing it. Next time she starts screaming just dial 911 so her screams can be recorded. Then tell them you have a mental health emergency and your mother needs to be admitted for an evaluation.
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
Thats exactly how I will do it if I get any opportunity. Trust me.
NeedHerOut Oct 2023
Big giant news. The moving truck is here. Apparently my cousins who said it wasn't their problem have done something after all and she's told others she is moving to their town. Thank you to all of you for your kindness and good advice. I know you've helped me tremendously to get to this point.
MeDolly Oct 2023
Wonderful! May she enjoy her new life...and you...yours!

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MeDolly Sep 2023
Start the eviction process that is best way to go about this. She will most likely start looking for another place at that point. Have an attorney do it, refer all her questions to the attorney.

You then are an arm's length away.

Don't be so afraid of doing this, she doesn't care about you or your family, time to take charge and get rid of her.

I did most everything for my mother, my brother did little, one day while driving she announced, I am not leaving you anything in my will, you have enough. That was it for me, didn't care about the money, it was she made it clear "You don't matter to me"! That was it for me, I had put up with verbal abuse for 63 years and I was done, haven't spoken to her since and never will.

Best 13 years of my adult life, do what is right for you and your family.
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
Really needed to hear this, thanks.
BarbBrooklyn Sep 2023
Call the APS abuse #. That's who you want to talk to.

"I need to talk to you about the fact that my mom, who lives with us, is threatening to report us for abuse

My mom had a stroke and she is refusing recommended medical care. She threatens us and throws household objects. She has withdrawn my POA and seems to be accepting advice from someone who is financially scamming her. What can we do?"
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
Wow again. Awesome. I will do exactly that in the morning.
BarbBrooklyn Sep 2023
You REALLY think she's going too move after her birthday?

Start the eviction process on Monday.

Your mother is in need of psychiatric attention. Allowing her to remain, untreated, in your home, is enabling her denial of her illness.

Look up "Grey Rock" as a technique for dealing with folks with personality disorders.

The next time she has a screaming fit, throws something, has a fall, or so much as hiccups, call 911 and have her taken to the ER and do not accept her back into your house.

Also, when "goes off" take out your phone and video her actions. Without comment. You may need evidence to counter her claims of who is abusing whom.

Consider installing cameras through the home to monitor her actions, especially if you are worried about the dog.

This reign of terror has to end.
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
This is exactly why we have cameras throughout the inside and outside of the house. Helps with peace of mind and evidence if needed.
BarbBrooklyn Sep 2023
Another thought...who is her new POA?

If it's one of her "friends" consider taking her for a visit to them.

Change the locks. I am hoping that she hasn't paid for any part of the house.

Finally, I know this must be VERY hard for you. It must feel like you're breaking your mother's heart and possibly ending what had previously been a pretty decent relationship.

But here's the thing. What you're doing right now isn't helping your mom. It's enabling her. You are preventing her from getting the treatment that she needs.

You are going to need to stop giving her control (asking nicely and negotiating )and start treating her like an out of control toddler if that's how she behaves.

Give choices: "would you like to tour on Monday or Tuesday? Go to this AL or that AL? No, mom. That is not an option. You may not longer live here. You will be evicted if you don't leave on your own."

As I said, get to lawyer on Monday. We've got your back.
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
Needed that, thanks. Every additional support at my back helps me stand up straighter.
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
Update on the eviction process. I enlisted help from a relative who is a retired lawyer. I really just needed someone to tell me what to expect and to watch out for.

At least in SC, I've technically already started the process by giving her the letter with a date to be out. The day after that date, I would go to the Magistrate Court to file. She is served within 30 days then has 10 days to respond. If she doesn't, we're done. If she responds, we go to court, which is the question mark as far as time. That's the point where I would need a lawyer's help. No idea which way she'll go. I'd love to think she would just go, but her recent history shows otherwise.

Seems there's nothing I can do but wait at the moment. Gotta say, waiting is not my best thing.

MargaretMcKen Sep 2023
Suggestions that may not work.

Make her uncomfortable :
1) Remove all or most of your own furniture from her basement. Leave the bed and a chair, but not the TV.
2) Lock up your food, and stop providing food. Depending on the layout, this may involve a lock on your kitchen, the cupboards or the fridge. Any food she has that goes off is removed as a health hazard in your home.
3) Respond to her and anyone who asks “we want her to leave and seek appropriate care”.
4) Perhaps contact APS. Get in first with your story - “We never undertook to care for her, and we cannot do so in future. Her behavior is deteriorating and we cannot continue. She needs to seek appropriate care”. Remember that her ‘rights’, if any, are for occupancy, not for care or domestic services.

Try for a health assessment that she is not legally capable of changing her will.
1) Make a list of every instance of her less acceptable behavior.
2) Talk to her doctor, ask for an assessment and document her refusal to have the assessment made if you can’t organise it.
3) When you’ve done both of those, perhaps have an appointment with a lawyer about the situation, particularly regarding her legal capacity.

If a crisis is imminent, send the dog to a kennel for a couple of weeks.
Good luck!
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
Thanks for answering. Some good suggestions. I don't really care about the will. 100% of $0 is still $0. She thinks it's important enough to control me with it, but i dont and she isnt. If there actually is anything I would give it away rather than keep. I've been keeping a notebook for a long while of all the crap. Unfortunately her doctor is not a resource. She refused to give us a recommendation for memory analysis when I asked. I'm going to look up APS and see what they say.
LoopyLoo Sep 2023
She said she won’t move out until her birthday?

Nope. She does not call the shots. It doesn’t matter when she wants to leave. She will leave when you tell her to leave.

You are past “nice, helpful” thoughts to handle this. She doesn’t seem able to respond to nice anymore. It will be ugly no matter what.

Give her no more than 2 weeks. She won’t go and thinks you’re not truly serious about it. Time for her to find out how serious you are.
NeedHerOut Sep 2023
But how can I make her? Seems like the eviction process will take 4 months anyway.
Fawnby Oct 2023
Wonderful, so happy for you. Now it’s time to plan going forward and strengthen your resolve. That means to decide now not to communicate excessively with her or your cousins. I have a feeling you’re going to start getting phone calls with requests for help. They are going to find out immediately what the true situation is. Make sure everyone knows mom can’t come back. You’re going to repurpose her living quarters. Talk about making it a rental or an art studio or anything else plausible. This doesn’t mean you have to do it, you’re presently only planning. And of course you won’t be going to her new town to help out with anything because once you start that, you’ll never be free of it.

Good luck!
NeedHerOut Oct 2023
I don't expect to hear much, certainly not from her. My husband texted her after they left to ask about ALL the stuff she left here but no response. I have accepted that contact with my mother is probably done forever. Sad but true.

Yes, I won't be surprised when the cousins start calling, but they won't get any action from me. I told them every awful detail and they chose to enter the ring with her anyway. I feel sorry for them that they didn't believe me. They'll see. She'll put on the act for a while, but it can't last forever.
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