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Lisypisy Asked December 23, 2023

I'm providing live-in help for stubborn male friend. No help, just myself. I feel he has become unreasonable.

Helping him keep the house and property taken care of was not as stressful and draining at first, as he was in better shape physically and mentally. He was also more independent, nice and caring as a friend. Since his wife died, he seems to not know how to cook anything other than frying eggs, making stove top stuffing or eating soup cold right out of the can (rather than heating it on the stove in a saucepan). I would make lunch or dinner, as he made himself breakfast.


 


Fast forward to early 2022. His physical shape has declined to where his knees are really making it hard to walk without a cane and difficult to climb stairs without being on his hands and knees. He had been putting off getting his knees replaced for so many years. Started to also notice that his personal hygiene, which was not very good in the first place, has become worse. He kept taking 4 cans of beer to bed every night (which I read can be deadly, as he takes sleeping pills). He claims the beer helps him sleep. It was clear he was dependent on alcohol.


 


His condition got worse over the next few months and he became even less active and when he went to his surgeon for knee replacement, he was advised that he needed to get up and walk more to strengthen his legs for a better outcome after surgery. He didn't, and despite my encouraging efforts, he made every excuse he could think of and not put in much effort. He continued to decline and his huffing gait got worse. In November 2022 he tripped outside on the walkway and fell, breaking his hip. He was advised to do PT in a rehab for 3 weeks, which he stubbornly declined.


 


2 weeks later he is back home, in a hospital bed he rented so he could recover at home. Home healthcare came out 2-3 times per week to have him do PT. He was advised to do PT 4 times per day, every day. Again, little effort and less than he was supposed to do. He would make up fibs to convince me and family and friends that he did exactly as he was told. He would sit on his bed and sulk most of the day or sleep, instead of PT. I had already stepped up and made 3 meals per day and helped him by doing errand for groceries and such.


 


I am physically unable to assist him if he ever fell, as he weighs 220lbs and 6' tall. A CNA came out to assist with in the shower. On the walker, he was able go to the toilet himself.


 


March 2023 he was able to get his left knee replaced. PT continued, and his hygiene and mental condition declined. He would not let me help him so there were times I had to remind him if he forgot take care of himself. I'm getting more stressed and drained for I was now working 7 days a week to assist him with his daily needs. There are a lot Left times where I had to remind him that he needed to change his clothes or shower because I could smell his body odor.


 


As I mentioned earlier I am unable to physically lift him so toilet assistance or bathing is out of the question. On top of that he has promised me that he would make sure I would never have to do that because he can, "take care of himself."


 


Ever since, it has been a steady decline of his physical and mental condition. I finally convinced him to let me go to his doctor's with him late September. We went to his appointment. The doctor told him right in front of me that he needs to walk more and exercise his brain with games and puzzles, which I offered to buy for him to help. He insisted that he walks enough (he's sitting or lying down more than walking). He doesn't want to do any puzzles, as he claims that he hates them and uses his brain enough with his business. I continue working for him. I cook and clean every day. I make him enough food for left overs that he can easily heat up in the microwave.

MargaretMcKen Jan 3, 2024
Lisypisy, you have reposted that your friend has “said he won't ever go into AL”. That works for him because currently you are slowly killing yourself by giving him a choice. If you stop, he will make the best choice he can out of the options that will be available then. Perhaps when he works out what to do, your friendship may come back.
Lisypisy Jan 3, 2024
I realize that. I do. No place is currently available for me to move into just yet. Been looking! Prayers needed!
MargaretMcKen Dec 24, 2023
It sounds from your post that you moved in to help him, partly because at that stage you got on well together, and partly because he promised to leave you the house when he died. That ‘house’ carrot is still dangled in front of you now that you DON’T get on well. Unless he dies very soon, this man is certainly going to need to be in a facility, and it will eat up all his money. There will be a lien on the house which will recover the Medicare facility costs, after his cash runs out. So even if you are still there, and his will leaves you the house, you probably won’t get to keep it.

“Everybody that knows him very well has been telling me that he’s not going to get better, it's only going to get worse”. They’re right.

You probably join the many many people who regret the choices they made in the past. This is time to consider your own future, and make the best use you can of the rest of YOUR life.

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Beatty Dec 23, 2023
"I have given him 6 years of my life helping him. I have no regrets. All I know is I have done the very best".

Exactly. You have given a most generous gift indeed. You can be proud of that.

But due to circumstances beyond your control, your friend is declining. Physically & mentally. His care needs have become more than a home environment with one caregiver can provide.

Therefore your NEXT GIFT can be to be his FRIEND as he transistions to the next level of care.

Your own transition may be from being his caregiver to being his friend again. You may inform him, his Doctor &/or next of kin of this plan.

Wishing you the very best going forward.

NeedHelpWithMom Dec 23, 2023
I think you already know that you are fighting a losing battle here. You can’t help anyone if they aren’t interested in helping themselves.

Move out, then he will be forced to figure it out. You’re not responsible for his lack of desire to become more active, nor can you force him to.

Is he on any meds for his depression? It sounds like his depression and discomfort are crippling him.

PT not only strengthens muscles but it helps with mobility and reduces pain.

Hopefully, when he gets tired of being sick and tired he will reach out for help.

Give him the phone number for Council on Aging in his area. They can help guide him through all of this.

Wishing you all the best.

MeDolly Dec 23, 2023
Get a job, move on. Makes no sense why you continue to be involved with him.

It is you who has to change, he will not.

JoAnn29 Dec 23, 2023
Its time to look for that job now and move out, even if its to rent a room. This man needs care that you can't give him. The situation has changed. You can only do so much. Tell his brother you will be leaving as soon as u get ur ducks in a row. That is he does not want to help his brother, than before you leave you will be calling APS on a vulnerable adult.

sp196902 Dec 23, 2023
Just stop helping this friend and get your own life. You are being taken advantage of for the past 6 years. If your 75 year old friend can't do things for himself then he needs to be in a facility.
Lisypisy Jan 3, 2024
Thats what I've been doing. Tired talking to him about it. He said he won't ever go into AL. Sad. So hopefully by Spring or summer 2024, I can be free from all the stress and be his friend
Geaton777 Dec 23, 2023
You are attempting to "rescue" someone who is now uninterested and unable to rescue himself. You will burn yourself out trying.

Is he at least paying you?

Are you (or anyone) his PoA? If not, no one has any power in this situation because you can't force someone to act in their own best interests without the legal authority to do so.

Therefore, you will need to move out and call APS to report him as a vulnerable senior. Truly, this is the only solution to get him the help he *needs*, not the help he *wants*. He obviously doesn't care if he burns you out or you get injured or sick in the process of helping him. Your continued presence gives him the false sense of living independently when in fact you are enabling him by orbiting around him.

I'm so sorry that this is where it has ended for your friendship but if he has untreated depression (as you mentioned in your profile) then you will be pushing a boulder uphill and in the end it will roll back on you. I wish you clarity and wisdom and peace in your heart as you ponder the solution for your situation.
Lisypisy Jan 3, 2024
Yes he does pay me decent per month but I do thebbest I can. He won't get help for his depression so that's been getting worse slowly. He doesn't want me to leave, but I have no choice. It's hard. If he causes me more grief when I do find a place, then that will tell me how he really feels. I do care about him and I hope for the best.
AlvaDeer Dec 23, 2023
I cannot find this gentleman's age anywhere, but to do total knee surgery on an elder this overweight? To my mind the definition of malpractice, as he would never be able to do what he needs to do to recover from it.

You have chosen now to live in with this "friend"? I hope that this is your partner, because otherwise this is another choice in this screnario I cannot understand.

You have described someone in mental and physical decline. You have described yourself as being unable to help him. So I cannot see that this is even a question. It is a matter of honesty and discussion. You need to tell him that you cannot fulfill his needs at this time, and you need to help him work on placement where he can be assisted.

I wish you the very best. So sorry you are both going through this. With that much overweight I am certain you are also dealing now with diabetic problems, and this is the beginning of a slow slide down. I don't think you are in any position to be the flotation device for him. So just be honest with him. I hope he has other family. This is the time for him to place one as his POA so that he has support when needed in future. I don't think that person should be you. He may eventually need guardianship of the state if he cannot make these decisions while he's able to.
sp196902 Dec 23, 2023
He is 75 years old.
Lisypisy Dec 23, 2023
And he is able to make himself breakfast but doesn't want to. I have nobody to help me not a single person. I can ask I have tried to tell Gwen that I am worried about his condition getting worse. I insist that he gets help because he has seen depressed ever since he fell and broke his hip and he does not want any kind of help. Or counseling or take. Any kind? Of medication he has been slowly getting worse and it? Has come to the point to where if I am? Unable to do Something for him he makes rude remarks saying that I don't love him and I don't care about him. It really hurts when he says that and I have tried to tell him that it makes My sad when he says things like that even on times where I need a few hours away for the sake of my own mental health. I tried to talk to his doctor for respite care and when they talked to him he claims to tell me that there is no one available to help me. Even with 1 day off per week. I am at my witsend. I can't seem to get a break. Our friendship has suffered since and I told him come Spring 2024. If I still don't? Have. The help I need because he is still getting worse. That's when physically that I will be forced to find another job and move out for the sake of my own well being. I have given him 6 years of my life helping him. I have no regrets. All I know is I have done the very best. I can do for him that I am able to do that he will let me do. I cannot go this alone anymore with no help. It is wearing me down and I am tired of crying every night. I have been looking for a place to live in work elsewhere in the meantime. Because with the way he is going he will eventually require more professional cares and what I can promote and since he doesn't have the finances to pay for it, that Means that he will end up liquidating most of his assets if necessary meaning I have no future that he promised me. I have come to understand that completely and know that I can only save myself before I suffer from more health problems after taking care of him the best I can do it seems that he doesn't appreciate my efforts anymore anyways and I am tired of crying every night. has anybody else experienced this kind of situation?
I need to add that mid summer this year, we have moved his bedroom downstairs to where mine used to be, to prevent a fall down the stairwell. Plus no more beer to bed (as that was causing more issues health wise!) And even better for him, his bedroom is right next to the bathroom. But still. He doesn't want to do anything for himself and I can't breathe unless I hide in my room to calm my depression. Even his family into his brother told me he has been stubborn his whole life so everybody that knows him very well has been telling me that hes. Not going to get better it's only going to get. Worse? And that I need to do what's best for myself?. As long as he is still able to make decisions for himself there is nothing more I can do for him. I've given him 6 years of my life and I am burnt out.
Geaton777 Dec 23, 2023
Yes, please don't wait and move out asap. The county needs to acquire guardianship for him so that it can manage his care and finances. It can't/won't do it if you're still there to be his FT "caregiver".

FYI irrational "stubbornness" is one of the earliest symptoms of dementia (even if his family described him as stubborn in his early years). Yes, it will only get worse and there's no cure for it. Please move out and move on. You tried your best.

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