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50sChild Asked March 3, 2024

ER 2-25-24 with agonizing pain but involuntarily committed and transported from medical care hospital to psychiatric hospital.

My sister rushed to ER, where EKG and high Troponin levels indicated cardiac infarction. ER became fixated on what they termed "suicidal ideation" after asking if she ever thought of suicide. They never asked her if she ever attempted suicide or if suicide was imminent. She was in agony, Level 9-10 pain. ER refused to listen to her or me (her MPOA Advocate). Sis and I objected strenuously to involuntary commitment. We requested a second opinion, a transfer to another emergency hospital, that ER contact her PCP, specialists, therapists. the hospital ombudsman -- all denied snarkily. Was told ER didn't have to reach out for more information and that sis had no rights. Staff mocked and laughed at my sister, who was quite vulnerable in pain and on pain IV feeds. ER record contains numerous errors. We were told (with a snarky tone) that it was "for her own good."


 


Sis is 66, disabled (mobility, pain) with Rheumatoid Arthritis, Levostenosis with rods in her spine from which she contracted permanent MSSA in 2019. In 2019 intractable pain intensive care hospitalization. Also asthma, PTSD from brutal kidnapping and rape, and much more. She was so vulnerable but sharp as a tack. Because she questioned doctor's authority, she was apparently punished. Staff mocked her, laughed at her, literally threw the pink slip at her without any explanation or notification of her rights. I witnessed some of this by phone (I live in another state). Her phone was seized and she was locked up 30 miles away, receiving no clinical care. Isolated. At 23 hours of confinement, psychiatrist told her "you don't belong here" and released her to home. Today is 3-3-24 and she is shaking and terrified and in Level 9-10 pain, nauseous, having cardiac symptoms but refuses to call ambulance. She has a 3-4-24 appointment with PCP and is determined to make it there with ambulance if necessary.
I am at wit's end. I have reached out to ombudsman, her PCP, her therapist, Disability Rights Ohio, attorneys, NAMI, and so on. What am I missing? Sis and I are tied at the hip and I am exhausted. She is not suicidal, but there's so much more. Any advice or comments welcomed. Yes, I am not operating efficiently.

JoAnn29 Mar 3, 2024
Not sure if anyone, even the patient is preevie to ER records. Just read it depends on the State. Some States the doctors and hospitals own the records. Some you can request to see them, and they have 5 days to respond.

If your sister is considered competent, your MPOA may mean nothing to staff. She can speak for herself.

This situation just seems over the top. If your sister was actually having pain and having a heart attack, then why not get that under control and then worry about suicidal tendancies?

AlvaDeer Mar 3, 2024
You say "there is so much more". I am certain there is. For that reason alone, and because we do not know you and your sister at all, we cannot make judgements on any or all of this.

You say that some tests indicated elevated troponin. Do know that CK enzymes are measured in ways that indicate to medical whether something is "cardiac muscle" related in labs, or just "muscle related".

Hospitals do NOT do 5150 holds (72 hour holds) without GOOD REASON. Firstly it is not a money maker for them and there are currently few psychiatric beds anywhere now. Secondly, such holds end up being just that. A hold in which they can keep someone they consider a danger to self of others safe until the waters calm a bit. Hospital personnel is mandated to address suicidal ideation. While your sister may have made no mentions of suicide in your presence, it doesn't mean that she didn't, in her pain, make some mention that concerned personnel enough to suggest a hold.
If they suspected suicidal ideation, it is, to be frank with you, unimaginable to me as a nurse that the personnel were laughing at your sister. I wasn't there. I am a retired RN.

You have mentioned ALL of the entities to reach out to that I can even begin to imagine.
I cannot know sister's history, her use of pain medications, her diagnosis or prognosis.

I would request pain management consults to you.
I wish you the best of luck, but there is little that any Forum can offer you, I suspect, other than our extreme sympathy for the pain, both mental and physical, that you and sis are going through.
50sChild Mar 3, 2024
Thank you for your empathy and taking the time to give me another perspective. Truly appreciated.

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Geaton777 Mar 3, 2024
We are only getting your side of things, therefore we really can't be of much help. If you've already "reached out to ombudsman, her PCP, her therapist, Disability Rights Ohio, attorneys, NAMI, and so on" then that's as much as you can do for action or recourse. This anonymous global forum of non-professionals won't be able to give you more than you've already gotten.

I'm so sorry for your sister's pain and suffering.
50sChild Mar 3, 2024
Thank you so much for helping me see reality again. I guess it's just upsetting that I am not privy to her ER records when I have MPOA. I'll deal with that with the hospital. Thanks again for steadying my panic!

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