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Finmanfish Asked April 4, 2024

My father wants to sell his home, but can’t?

My 97-year-old father lives in his paid for home in California. Until recently, his wife of 30 some years lived with him, but was recently declared incompetent by one of her daughters and removed from the home. My understanding is the daughter has a durable power of attorney. I don’t know how she did this without my father’s permission, but she did. California is a community property state, but the dilemma is that her daughter cannot act as her mother in the sale of the property we have been told, and that this must go through probate. His wife also has a trust in which it says that it gives interest in her community property to her daughter so my question is would that document allow her daughter to sign for the house sale? The irony is her daughter is willing to sell the house. Thanks.

Llamalover47 Apr 10, 2024
Finmanfish: Retain an attorney.

Geaton777 Apr 5, 2024
More info from a response below:

"She [the daughter of the OP's Dad's wife] has a durable power of attorney, they are both living and deed is in both names and wife has right of survivorship."

Your Dad's wife's daughter removed her from the home, due to her incapacity and maybe because your Dad wasn't caring for her properly OR she was burning out caring for your Dad. The wife's PoA doesn't have to have your Father's permission to remove her. It's wrong to not have discussed it or told him, but how do you know the wife's PoA daughter didn't actually do this? At 97 your Dad could have some memory failure.

You also say the daughter doesn't have the legal ability to sell her Mom's half of the home, so is not FPoA. She will probably have to pursue conservatorship for her Mom in order to make financial/real estate decisions for her regarding the house.

The rest of the info is confusing and then there's the wife's trust... one has to know what the trust actually says and how it relates to the house both she and your Dad own together. The daughter has to read the trust document to see if she is assigned any legal authority to perform transactions for her Mom.

Your original question is how can your Dad sell his home when all this is in play...

Are you trying to help your Dad sell the home? Are you local to your Dad? What's his cognitive state? Are you his FPoA?

Again, this is something for an estate or elder law or real estate attorney.
Finmanfish Apr 5, 2024
My dad is in California. I am in Georgia. Yes I’m trying to help him figure out how to sell the house. His cognitive state is excellent. Still sharp as a tack I would say. But from what I can piece together, he neglected to get his own POA prior to this happening. My understanding is that her daughter put all of this in place as I stated without his knowledge at first. And the mother signed the documents while she was still considered competent. I’ll never know why for sure. I am not my dad‘s FPOA. It is my understanding that she had her mother removed because she was not happy with the care of my father could provide. This was triggered by a couple of episodes where she would fall and 911 would have to be called to get her up. Can you tell me more about the conservatorship comment? Thank you.

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LilyLavalle Apr 5, 2024
If the daughter has durable power of attorney she should be able to act on her mothers behalf and sell the house with your father. It seems the question is whether the DPOA was assigned legally. If mom was declared incompetent she may not have have been able to assign DPOA, unless it was done before the competency issues arose. You definately need an elder care attorney. Good luck.

Fawnby Apr 4, 2024
A daughter cannot just declare her mother incompetent. She'd have to have had some help from doctors, lawyer, courts or God himself issuing a decree. (If a person can just declare someone incompetent, I have a few that I'd like to start declaring right now.)
AlvaDeer Apr 4, 2024
This woman has likely already been declared incompetent, Fawnby, I would think. The daughter may have full power now. I sure did have in the case of my brother. He put me in full charge of everything even with his attorney standing there and saying "Are you certain you trust this woman; she can now sell the gold out of your teeth".
Geaton777 Apr 4, 2024
If they are both still alive then this has nothing to do with probate. You need an elder law attorney. We can’t help you since there’s too many unknowns and you’re not even sure whether the step sister has PoA and if the house deed is in both their names.
Finmanfish Apr 5, 2024
She has a durable power of attorney, they are both living and deed is in both names and wife has right of survivorship. I’m not sure I have all the information that would be needed here but I will try to answer any questions that are needed to fill in the blanks. I apologize for my lack of complete knowledge.
AlvaDeer Apr 4, 2024
I think you don't have any correct details here and that's what you MUST have.
You say:
"but was recently declared incompetent by one of her daughters and removed from the home." This suggests the wife was removed from the deed of the house. This isn't true. What was likely removed was the POWER of the wife to agree to a sale or to sign papers selling the house.
If the daughter is the wife's POA and her POA gives her full powers and is well written then it is the DAUGHTER who will now make decisions for the MOTHER.

As you seem uncertain about all of this, as with all things requiring expert advice, it is time to lawyer up.
I hope you will update us about what you find out after an attorney investigates this.

It's unusual for a wife who became incompetent not to have as POA her husband, but to instead have her daughter. It does, once wife is incompetent, give enormous control to her POA daughter for ALL OF HER ASSETS.
I am hoping that you have a good relationship with this daughter and can discuss, because without that you are in for a world of woe in which only the attorneys will win.
Finmanfish Apr 5, 2024
Thank you and yes, I apologize for the things I do not know and have been unable to present in the correct order for a rational discussion. Yes, the daughter has a durable POA, which she somehow managed to get her mother to sign off on some years ago, apparently unbeknownst to my father, the daughter use the power of attorney and a letter from a doctor to have her placed in a care facility. My father wants to sell the house and the daughter seems to be amicable to this, but according to my father, has unwittingly box yourself in from executing a sale of the house. According to my father, this would have to go now to court based on the laws of California.
MeDolly Apr 4, 2024
This is a question for an estate attorney who practices in your area.
BlueEyedGirl94 Apr 4, 2024
100% agree. There are too many variables.

Additionally - as far as I know- the daughter couldn't just unilaterally declare her mother LEGALLY incompetent. - a doctor (or even two depending on how the POA is written) would have to sign off on the assessment and declaration in order to deem her incompetent. It's not just something the daughter could say and then become the POA - even if she was able to remove her mother from the home.

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