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My mother was severely abusive & it took me years to work through that. She has a lifelong history of strained interpersonal relationships with threats of self harm if she didn’t get her way. She’s lied about having life threatening diseases, blackmailed, gaslighted family & friends until she had no one left.
About 7 years ago I finally was able to say no & accept I could no longer try to rectify her life choices. I live 3,000 miles away now & block her number. Her messages are saved in the cloud secondary to advice I was given for my protection.
The police showed up here last week asking me to call a SW because she was in the hospital & unable to make medical decisions. I was surprised it wasn’t her because she has sent the police in the past when I didn’t respond to her histrionics.
I want what’s best for my mother but it’s no longer an option to get back on her merry go round. SW told me she can’t hurt me anymore because she’s declined & I’d control her phone, etc.
I would never strip her of her phone or dignity & the thought just makes me sad. The only option left is a court appointed guardian which also concerns me because what if they do these things because she is making scenes at the AL they place her into.
She was declared incompetent as it appears she gets confused at times.
I was given advice to say No to being her guardian secondary to she’s too destructive & the SW is wrong that she can’t hurt me & hopes I don’t allow them to seduce me into this. This advice is from a good friend who is a retired psychiatrist.
My best friend who knows the history since 16 years of age also advised me to say No.


I know in my heart I did everything I could for her because she’s consistently told me for decades “ she’s going to be dead, it’s her last bday, it’s my fault & live with it” Thus I made sure to look at the big picture if/when I got that call to prevent having regrets.


I witnessed her say the exact things to her parents, husbands, etc...


Does anyone have any advice?


Thank-you kindly!
Regina

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Please do NOT become her guardian in any way, shape or fashion!

Shame on that SW for trying to rope an abuse victim back into contact with her abuser to make her own job easier.
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notgoodenough Apr 2021
Amen!
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Which was better? Life before you cut off mom, or life after?

7 years ago you were finally able to say "enough is enough" and cut the ties. And if I were a betting woman, I would bet that you have spent the last 7 years working through all of the emotional baggage that came with that decision, yes? Because if you hadn't been, if you had *totally* cut her from your life, you wouldn't be agonizing over this situation!

I think, deep down, you know that the right answer for you is: a resounding "no, I am not going to do this". What I think you might need is to hear people tell you it doesn't make you evil to do this. So I'll tell you - it DOES NOT make you evil to refuse to take on this caregiving role. It doesn't make you selfish, heartless, wrong, cruel, inhumane or any other synonym of "bad" that you can think of.

And that SW who told you "she can't hurt you anymore" - well, either she has NO concept of abusive relationships, or she's just looking to foist the responsibilities that she should be taking care of onto you. I know where my money lies on that choice!

Tell the powers that be because of your past relationship with your mom, you will not be undertaking the responsibility of guardianship. That's all you need to tell them, you don't owe anyone an explanation. Your mom chose to treat you the way she treated you, and now she is paying the piper for her choices.

Stay away and be happy with your decision and content with your life!
Good luck!
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2021
Oooh, great opening question! Really says it all in one fell swoop.
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The SW doesn't have YOUR best interest at heart, and has no idea whether your mother can or cannot hurt you any longer! That is the truth. She has no background about YOUR life and no firsthand knowledge of the chaos your mother has caused you, the lies, the deceit, the abuse.........all of it. You have friends and a respected psychiatrist telling you not to be seduced into the lies of the SW who wants you to be your mother's guardian, yet you are here asking for advice. It's hard, I know, to let the state take over after your mother has tried to brainwash you for your whole life that everything is YOUR fault and that if/when she dies, her blood will be on your hands. I'm here to tell you that's a lie. Your hands are clean, and will stay clean even if you let the state take guardianship of her, and even when she ultimately does die. You did not cause her death.

My own mother has been threatening to 'die' for decades now. Threatening to 'jump out of the window' or 'buy a gun' or some such nonsense, for as long as I can remember. When I was 5 years old, she'd take off in the car, burning rubber out of the driveway, saying she was going to 'drive off of the bridge' and kill herself. Well, she's 94+ years old now, and still alive. When she does finally pass away, it won't be from idle threats or jumping out of windows. Nor will it be my fault or due to anything I've done.

My advice to you, dear Regina, is to allow the state to take guardianship of your mother and to rest assured she'll be fine in long term managed care once that happens. Without an audience to play to, her histrionics will likely calm down significantly. And if not, you'll have no knowledge of it, which is how it should be.

Know when to say Enough is Enough. And know when it's time to allow yourself to live your life in peace and tranquility.

Wishing you the best of luck in doing so.
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Block the Social Worker’s number.

You are a person who is trying to heal, and stay healed.

Keep it up!
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You've already paid your dues. Now it's time to let the state take over her guardianship, and for you to get on with your life with NO regrets. You deserve so much better. Your mom has made her bed, and now she will have to lie in it. It is what it is. You owe her NOTHING!!!
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I agree with the many people that have answered: this social worker must have no clue about trauma!! What a dodo! She is just trying to make her job easier. Of course your mother can still “hurt” you - reconnecting will bring up all kinds of old emotions and will impact your health and well-being. You know what you can handle and not handle. There is no shame in saying no. And you don’t owe the social worker an explanation. You live 3,000 miles away and have been estranged for many years. Do not let yourself be pushed into a role you cannot manage.

I did step in as POA for my abusive mother and it’s been a painful journey. There are times that I wished I let a guardian take over. She remains abusive even through her dementia. I have posted about this before.

Do what is practical and healthy for you and you only. Put yourself first. Managing my mother’s affairs has been time consuming and very stressful. I have a ton of support from my spouse and have some experience working in health care so I did have an edge. And I don’t visit or talk to my mother. I just consider myself a case manager. It’s my job. You sound as if you already know your limitations - and it takes a strong person to realize that!
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It's lovely you wouldn't 'strip her of her dignity', but really, she never had much dignity at all if she acted how she did. I get that she's mentally ill and you did right by moving far away from her. Do not get sucked back in! The SW is very much wrong!

You have done all you can do on your end. She'll take everything out on you and you'll be her verbal punching bag. She's done robbing you of your life.
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I have one word for you--- RUN! Run far and run fast! If you don't, you are going to be in my situation!! I'm saving to move! Once I find a place, I am contacting the dhs worker and telling her she has 72 hours to get a caregiver in here! I will NOT be here after 72 hours! I got a place very quickly and that's why I'm leaving so suddenly! When she asks what the address is, my response will be "Gee, I don't remember because it's new and I don't have it with me!" My phone number is going to be changed and I am probably going to"forget" to let her know the new number! Oops! 😉
Unless you want to be in my situation, again I say RUN!!!! Go no contact! You how they can suck you in! You owe NOTHING! You didn't ask to be born! God bless you and please don't feel guilty! That's a groomed, learned emotion!
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Boundaries and limits. I think you need to put them up. From what you have written she sounds like she needs serious help and has serious mental issues. There is nothing you can do for her, she needs professional help. Step away. Walk out, stay away from her and live your life with love and peace, free of guilt. Sometimes unfortunately we have to come to that conclusion. It's not your fault, nor hers.
I'm sorry, it sounds like a very sad story. It's easy to write what I write, I imagine it is so very difficult though. My heart goes out to you and her for all the suffering you both are experiencing. I wish you both all the best.
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That door was shut and locked for a very good reason. Do not open it. You do not owe her anything but a good solid NO. They can do what they need to do without you. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for you to become involved. If she is a danger to herself and others, she is most certainly a danger to you. The most loving thing you can do is keep that door closed firmly.
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