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My mother is my father’s POA and I am listed next. APS has asked if I would accept guardianship of my Father 87yrs, as my Mother 83yrs is deemed unsafe. She has 2 substantiated incidents with several other reported calls to APS from caregivers or public situations resulting in police appearance. Her inability to deal with his Sundowners and other related dementia behaviors creates the emotional and physical abuse towards My Father. His response to that abuse is classic fight or flight. He either attempts to leave the house or stops her from hitting him by grabbing her wrist and yelling at her “I will knock your head off”. The pattern is clear, she attempts to change his behavior with arguing, convincing, or yelling, which clearly escalates the situation rather than deescalate which has resulted in physical altercations. She doesn’t even feel like the incidents are a big deal. She states that’s how their relationship always was with a little smile and shrug. There is so much sadness in this situation as my Mother has over the past 4 years refused to attend support groups or speak with a therapist. She has minimal in home caregivers as she doesn’t want to spend the money. She has the money. I was spending 2 days and 1 night per week at their home and bringing freezer meals in order to lessen her stress and hopefully lessen his. That did not curb her verbal emotional abuse towards my Father. Some of it was even directed at me. There is so much stress in her life with attempting to maintain a home and care for a husband with dementia (vascular with Parkinson like symptoms). She is completely burnout. She has taken the path to cure him with supplements rather than attempting to learn and change the way she deals with his behaviors. Which brings me to my question. I have been asked to be a guardian of my father or have one appointed by the courts. I’m leaning towards court appointed mostly because of the tension that all ready exists between my mother and my self. I’m thinking it will only get worse. I’ve asked close friends, who are very familiar with guardian situations, court appointed and family guardian. I will be talking with a guardian lawyer as well to get some basic information. Any thoughts on this would be most appreciative.

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I suggest that you not become your father's guardian and that you tell APS that you'd like a court-appointed guardian. This is a difficult situation, and I hope it can be resolved in a way that keeps everyone safe and doesn't burden you even more.
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GSDlover Aug 15, 2025
If giving the reins of power over to the government is the answer, kiss goodbye any decision making as well as preserving the estate. Their goal is to keep the ward in the system and deplete all monies into their pockets. If they can, they will deplete the estate and get the ward on Medicaid. Avoid!
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I think you should go with your gut instinct and have the court appoint a guardian.

You know your family dynamics better than anyone. If you truly believe in your heart of hearts that is in everyone's best interest to go court-appointed, then that's what you do.

There is no "easy" way out of this situation, just a couple of bad choices. Pick the least bad one and don't look back.
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GSDlover Aug 15, 2025
Court appointed is brutal, no turning back, no power or control. You are at the mercy of the state/government. It’s the worst possible scenario in my opinion. Once the dust settles and choices are made if OP does guardianship, it’s her way or the highway. It’s a lot easier to deal with than getting the government invoiced and trying to work with them. All the while they are depleting the patents Estate like crazy.
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I’m sorry for all you’re dealing with and for your father’s abuse by your unreasonable mother. Wondering if she has her own oncoming dementia with her current behaviors? Do what will bring you the most peace and what you can comfortably live with, there is no wrong answer either way
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Ltracy Aug 15, 2025
I had the same question. My dad has dementia & my mom had a hard time working with it. She kept getting upset at him & we couldn’t figure it out because she had taken care of her dad & mother in law with Alzheimer’s & did really good. Come to find out she had vascular dementia herself that was just starting to show.
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My husband has advanced Parkinson.
I have plan A,B,C most possible outcomes covered to protect both of us.
I watch for stress to make sure I protect myself by having respite every day and weekends and some evenings so I go to take classes, go dancing, go for dinner or listen to music. I need at this point to get away or do opposite as Parkinson alone is awful, sad disease.

As per Parkinson.org

Caregiver Stress

Caregiver stress is when you experience a manageable amount of stress and anxiety related to caregiving. Caregiver stress is, unfortunately, a part of life when caring for someone with a chronic illness such as PD — especially over an extended period.

Caregiver Strain

As stress and anxiety grows to be less manageable, we start calling it caregiver strain. You have reached this stage when the stress and anxiety begin to impact your ability to care for your loved one.
Caregiver strain is the perception of persistent problems and a feeling of decreased well-being that results from providing prolonged care, according to the Modified Caregiver Strain Index (a screening tool used to measure caregiver strain). This can look like forgetting more tasks than usual, feeling too fatigued to take care of yourself outside of your care duties or becoming more easily frustrated with your loved one.
Care partners can experience caregiver strain for short or long periods of time without realizing it. It is important to you have someone in your life who you can talk to when you are feeling overwhelmed or stressed about caregiving. It is in times like these that having a secondary care partner can be helpful — you can take a break while someone else helps care for your loved one.

Caregiver Burnout

Unaddressed caregiver strain progresses into caregiver burnout. Caregiver burnout is a state of physical, emotional and mental exhaustion that may include a change in attitude, from positive and caring to negative and unconcerned. Burnout can occur when caregivers don't get the help they need, or if they try to do more than they are able, physically or financially.
If you feel completely overwhelmed and checked out of your day-to-day tasks you are likely experiencing caregiver burnout. In this state, a care partner is unable to give their loved one the emotional or physical support they need.
Caregiver burnout symptoms can include:
Extreme fatigue unrelated to sleep
Unusual frustration and anger
Feeling “cloudy” or “foggy.” Often dismissed as age-related change, this can occur as a result of carrying too much responsibility and/or anxiety
Other physical symptoms may manifest as a result of emotional stress.

I believe your mother is experiencing severe caregiver burnout, she needs help.
Although nice gesture for you to bring meals, etc. but it is deeper problem. And as I said several times, never judge caregivers unless you do it for 2-5 years.
The only solution is for Dad to go to facility.
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If you go court appointed guardian route, please, PLEASE make sure that your mom is financially protected.

They will remove dad from the abuse, that's what this is all about but, they could leave your mom struggling to make ends meet if it's not handled by a good attorney.
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GSDlover Aug 15, 2025
Exactly. A court appointed one brings the full weight of the government into a family and there’s no turning back. It happened with mine and they separated them both and left my mother in dire straights, with no visitation. It’s an ugly situation people should try to avoid getting/letting the government come in and rule over the family and finances. They will drain the estate into their pockets.
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It looks as though, if you take this on, you will be the Guardian for two VERY UNCOOPERATIVE people who will BOTH require Memory care for life. If their funds are HUGE in terms of assets, that's one thing, as you will be able to place them (eventually) and to have control over where and in what circumstances; and you will be able to afford the Fiduciaries and the attorneys needed to manage their estate.

Do KNOW however, that once you accept this you can only resign the duty through a court Judge, and few will let you, EVEN IF YOU ARE ILL.

If you choose not to, the APS will now refer this for Guardianship of the State and it will all get done without you and with or without your input of permission. You would have no say in the placement and etc. The estate would be managed without your input.

I myself was Trustee of Trust and POA for a very methodical and well-
organized brother. It was still a nightmare to get everything done. I was once on the phone for almost an entire day with Spectrum when they mistakenly took the phone out of his cottage when they meant to take it out of the cottage of another senior. I kind you not. From 10:30 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. I worked calling I cannot tell you how many people in how many countries from my home in S.F., CA to get this fixed in SoCal.

You know yourself, the circumstances, the amount of money you will have to work with in this estate, and the level of cooperation you can expect, so this is your decision, but the first year of getting this done will be an anxiety-provoking nightmare I think you cannot fully envision. I warn you only to help you know that and I surely do, from the bottom of my heart, wish you good luck.
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You’re in a tough situation, but if you immediately go to an attorney and start with gaining guardianship over your father to start. Then put him in an assisted living memory care facility that also has assisted living area where your Mom could go at a later date close to your Moms location. Once she calms down and relaxes she can go visit him with no stress. See how that goes first. If her anger continues have her evaluated by a neurologist to see if she has dementia. If so have her doctor prescribed medication to calm her down. If she’s able to live at home if safe allow that for as long as she safe. Then when the time comes she maybe able to live in the same facility in assisted living area.
I would stay away from a court appointed guardian.
When talking to the attorney make sure you discuss when and what needs to happen to gain POA in medical and financial of course for your father now , but also for your mother in the near future.
Kudos to you for stepping up and being a great daughter or son.
I wish you the best for your parents and you.
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GSDlover Aug 15, 2025
Yes! Jenny your answer was excellent. I agree 100% on avoiding court appointed with a guardian. It’s an ugly mess that once it gets started it’s light a freight train and cannot be stopped. It’s scary how court appointed anything/SW can overstep boundaries and sidestep laws without any oversight. We learned the hard way!
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I think guardianship is not a good solution for you. As your mother has been deemed unsafe and doctor certified incapable (?)Then you need to exert POA over her and him so you can make decisions. Perhaps mom needs to be in assisted living where she gets needed care. They have the money this is what that's for. You cannot sacrifice your life and well being for a stingy elder who needs care..for who knows how long

Guardianship is costly and ties you to this situation. For possibly years. Who knows how long?
Take over POA and make the tough decisions that are best for them. And consult an elder law attorney who can go over state laws..how - to, etc do you understand the intricacies.

"Been there done that".
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GSDlover Aug 15, 2025
Except giving it over to the state gives this OP zero power. Not good.
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I would seriously look into being your father’s guardian. Giving the government full control, the court appointed guardian will most likely be an attorney, they tend to deplete the finances for their benefit. There’s little oversight of these people regardless of what THEY tell you, they definitely profit nicely over their wards. Please be cautious!
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Get your father into memory care at once.
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