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I've read a lot about children caring for their abusive parents...and my heart goes out to you. But what about giving care to a verbally abusive spouse?


My husband has had 17 major surgeries in our 47 years of marriage. Some of the surgeries are from injuries and others are from health issues. I've been with him through every surgery and nursed him back to health, but it has been difficult as he is mean and verbally abusive in his recovery every time.


He recently had knee replacement surgery and it has been hell. His expectations of wanting me to do every little thing for him, only to have him berate me, scold me, and get angry if it's not done to his perfection. I'm so tired. I'm tired of his rants at me. I'm hurt. But because I know he is in pain and some of this is the pain and pain med talking, I'm not sure what boundaries are okay to set with him. I feel guilty when I tell him how I feel and I think it would be good if he does somethings for himself. Then he goes into a long explanation of how I need to help him because he had surgery and is in pain. He's now 3 weeks out from his knee replacement surgery, but is still treating me this way.


He needs his other knee replacement surgery this summer and I've told him I'm not doing this again, and he just tells me I don't understand and I'm making the situation much worse than it really is.


When he's not in pain, we have a decent marriage. Although not perfect, we enjoy doing things together and have built a normal life. There are times, when he is under stress, he get verbally abusive. Sometimes I think he lacks emotional intelligence and the tools to know how to communicate well. I also know I'm not the one who can give that to him.


I don't know what "boundaries" are okay to set with someone who has had surgery and is in pain, especially after the 1st week of surgery.


I've asked myself 'is this how I want to spend the rest of my life...caring for this man who is not in good health?' But the thought of starting over at 65 years old, is scary to me. I wonder how my kids and grandkids would handle my leaving him.


I know I've just rambled and only given a small part of my story...there's so much more...in spite of all the surgeries and sickness, we've had an amazing life, and I don't want to just throw away the last 47 years. But on the other hand, the pain I experience in his verbal abuse is demeaning and hell. We both are still working and plan to stay in our jobs for another couple of years.


Has anyone else out there gone through something similar with their spouse? How did you figure out what to do?

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Good suggestions from other forum members. I recommend you see a therapist who is experienced in handling bully tactics. There is ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR YOU BEING A VICTIM OF BULLY ABUSE! None. Nada. Zip.

My husband of 30+ years has a trifecta going on: stroke recovery/rehab, cognitive impairment AND high on the narcissistic behavior spectrum. He exhibited the same bully tactics as you’ve experienced after his hip replacement surgery 1 year ago, and the emotional, psychological and physical abuse has only escalated since then.

My therapist had three words for me: Get Out Now. Well, I’m steadily working on that plan, but first need to put things in place to protect my assets so that I’m not living on the street.

My husband recently demanded many times that I get a job! Uh, nope. I’m a “young” 73 and my SSA + pension benefits are more than his. I’m working with several professionals (CPA, tax advisor, financial advisor, family law attorney, estate planning attorney) to work out a separation and place him in a facility paid for by Long Term Care Insurance.

So, please reach out to whatever professionals can help you. Soon. Then you’ll at least have options to consider which are way better than what’s going on now.

Hugs to you!

My heart goes out to you. It’s sooooo difficult. I hope you seek out help for yourself. A therapist will be another voice of reason while also allowing you to vent.
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cherokeegrrl54 Jan 2020
Im glad to hear you are getting things lined up to protect yourself!! Blessings to you as you move forward!!
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First of all, abuse is NEVER okay, no matter where it comes from, parent or spouse or anyone. What your husband is doing is not okay.

Ask him what he would do if you weren't there? Let him stew on that for awhile. Be unavailable. He's 3 weeks out, he can be left alone. If he wants to get the other knee done he will need to go to rehab, let professionals deal with his abuse.

The reality is you don't HAVE to take care of him. If he is in that much pain he needs to tell his doctors, not abuse you.

If you get nowhere maybe consider a trial separation?

I'm dealing with my mom but I'm sure others will be along soon who are taking care of spouses. I just wanted to reach out and tell you the abuse is not okay. You matter. Your feelings matter.
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cherokeegrrl54 Jan 2020
Thank you Piper....excellent advice!!!
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He can have his knee surgery and then go to residential rehab and not return home until he is duly restored to normal(ish) function. And meanwhile you go away for a well earned break with family and friends. Or, if you wouldn't dream of it! - then at least you make yourself scarce. Take yourself off the nursing team.

You're not mean, you're not letting him down, you're not even angry, not truly. You are just TIRED of this behaviour, and why on earth should you put up with it if it plays no constructive part in his recovery and it makes you sick at heart?

There are various ways to build protective boundaries around such very specific elements in a relationship: techniques, key words, STOP gestures, little routines that can help break the habitual pattern. Would you consider working with a therapist or counsellor? But also, just watching how nurses and aides relate to him in their professional capacities (when, don't forget, he's still in pain and still under stress, but I bet he controls himself better even if not perfectly) might be instructive too.

He is allowed to be upset, in pain, frustrated, tired, etc. He is allowed to express it. He is allowed not to be sweetness and light with you at all times. But he is NOT allowed to choose verbal lashing out and harshness towards you as his METHOD of mental pain and stress relief, which unfortunately seems to be the habit he's developed. All you want is to stop being his verbal stress ball, and that is very okay indeed.
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It is scary to start over. I know, I did it after 22 years of marriage. I wasn't in my 60's however, I was in my 40s, so it's different, but I was scared too. I hadn't worked for 22 years b/c DH had a very big job and I was the one who stayed home with the kids, the huge house, and handled everything for him who handled nothing except his job. Nada. So when I finally called it quits, I went back to work for minimum wage after living the high life for 2 decades. But you know what? I didn't care. I was free. Free of the emotional abuse and mental instability he'd shown me for a very long time and I was happy. The money wasn't important.

And my kids? My 17 year old son (at the time) said, "What took you so long mom?" My 7 year old daughter adjusted also, because I let her spend every other weekend with her dad and never bad-mouthed him. Ever. The kids knew I was better off w/o their dad and happier, too. That's what they wanted to see.

Children and grandchildren are more astute, I think, then we give them credit for.

Nothing can erase the past 47 years you've spent together no matter what you decide to do. Moving forward on your own doesn't mean you're 'throwing away' your marriage, just that you've had enough. As I did. When people ask me what the deciding factor was for me in finally filing for divorce, I tell them this: I knew it was time when I woke up one day and said NOT ONE MORE MINUTE WILL I TOLERATE THIS.

Are you there yet?

Wishing you the very best of luck moving forward. I know how hard this decision really is.
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cherokeegrrl54 Jan 2020
I think a lot of us in our age range have been thru this.. for me it was 21 yrs of mental, physical and sexual abuse by my husband. Of course there is a back story but im not going into that on here...,when my children finished high school, i moved out, couldnt take one more slap or punch. In all honesty, the last time he hit me, i put our 38 in his face and told him if he ever hit me again i would blow his brains out...,he never touched me again. Harrassed me for quite a few months....but i stood my ground and verbally put him in his place each and every time. He finally got the message.....but after all that, i met and married my soulmate, we had almost 6 wonderful yrs together, til i lost him to cancer. Im very grateful to have had him in my life even for such a short time, So yes even after a long marriage, we can move forward and enjoy our life, even at a later age...
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Take some audio or video recordings of his abuse. Play them back to him and tell him the first moment he does it again you are going to walk.

There is a financial term called Sunk Costs. It refers to the monies spent on a project or piece of equipment that is not giving the expected returns. Think of the 47 years you have put into this marriage as sunk costs. You cannot get those years back, but you can decide if you wish to put more years in, knowing you will face more abuse from this man, or leave and live life on your terms.

My marriage ended unexpectedly after 22 years and I can truthfully say almost 6 years later I am living my best life and could not be happier.
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I have a question- is he getting the same pain medication every single surgery?

My husband is allergic to morphine and became a raging jerk when he was on it. They discontinued the morphine and I got my sweet husband back.

If he is just using the situation to be a jerk you can tell him that you understand completely, he is being a horse's azz and he can find another caregiver until he feels well enough to be civil.

No excuse for abuse, EVER!
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I would ask the doctor what DH should be doing or can do 3 weeks out. I have never had knee surgery but I thought the more u do the better. Is he having therapy? Once you find out, you can then set boundries. "Sorry, no, Dr says you should be doing that for yourself"

I would ask about his pain meds. Maybe he is having some reaction to certain ones. Maybe he has a low threshold of pain.

I don't have this problem with my DH, really its the other way around. But my Dad...he expected Mom to do everything. You could tell him he is a big baby and to "suck it up". 😊 I am kidding. If it were me, I would tell him I am not his slave. That you don't deserve the abuse. If he keeps it up, you are walking away. (Going to another room or leave the house)

There will be others that have probably had knee replacement surgeries that wil, help. But I always thought the more u do the better.
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My dad has had numerous surgeries, including knee replacement, and I’ve been his caretaker through the recoveries. While he has dealt with pain and therapies, he’s never been mean or abusive. I’m sorry you’re dealing with this and there is simply no excuse that your husband is treating you this way. Other than some chance he’s responding poorly to pain meds, he’s just being a bully. I’d advise you to do for him what you honestly see that needs doing and make yourself unavailable for all else, even if that means not being home. Don’t discuss this with him more, it only gives him more time to berate and make excuses for his behavior. Tell him how much you look forward to getting back to enjoying marriage and hope he’ll take steps to get there soon
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Hi Missy. Your story sounds like my Mom’s story years ago. She finally left my father after decades of verbal abuse. If your children and grandchildren know how he treats you, you might be surprised with their reaction. Showing them that this behavior is not acceptable might actually help them more than you could know. Stand up for yourself and demand to be treated as you would treat others. I feel very sorry for you. I know how difficult it was for my Mom to finally get out but I was and still am so proud of her for leaving. So don’t worry about the kids. You have the right to be treated with kindness. It’s a basic human need. A support group and/orcounseling might help. Best of luck to you. Sending hugs.
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Yes, it's great to be supportive and all that, but remind him constantly: Don't be a jerk. You're being a jerk. Acknowledge his pain, frustration, etc but point out none of this was your doing. You're trying to help. You're trying to help and he's being a jerk. You may or may not get through to HIM, but this mantra is an affirmation of sorts for you. Don't let him define your best efforts!
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