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I agree with your mom. Going to extremes to prolong the life of someone who is elderly and ready to go is not a good idea.

I'm 70, and in relatively good health, but I know I would not agree with any procedure that extended my life unnaturally. I would let nature take its course, after a certain age, why fight it?

Partly I am still reeling with the death of my mother at age 90. This was a woman who would see a doctor for any little ache or pain and complain incessantly about how sick she was. She insisted on having various elective surgeries for her back, her neck, he shoulders etc etc. She would not do the physical therapy so would end up worse than if she had done nothing. She took so many prescription drugs she had no idea what they were supposed to do, yet she was someone who had to take pills every day for what exactly? She had nothing to live for and no one really wanted anything to do with her.

Do I want to extend my life unnaturally to spent years in a nursing home with nothing and no one? No. Would anyone really choose that?

I would rather be remembered as someone who was alive and vibrant right up until the end. Always leave 'em wanting more.

It's better to leave the party an hour early than an hour late.
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I do understand your concerns from the perspective of an 83 year old former Nurse Practitioner. The nurse part of me agrees with you that she would benefit from professional care. The 83 year old part of me says 'Be there for her' but until there are real safety issues support her choices.

She has established her lifestyle over many years and has survived either because of it or inspite of it. Respect that even though you long for her to have a more comfortable life. Keep the communication lines open, keep visiting and quietly helping her by just doing things that lighten her load or provide greater safety, but ask permission before doing anything she would think is drastic. Separate your needs from her needs. In the end, she is making choices that make her happy. Allow her to be happy and in charge as long as possible. That will be a gift no one else can give. I have had the privilege and have learned to ask for help, but I would be furious if someone wanted to change my ideas of what makes me happy. Thanks for being in her corner and loving her as she is.
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See above!
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Your attitude seems healthy, between all you do for your mom and your respect for her way of doing things. Of course you're concerned, but if she's taken as good care of herself as you describe she knows what she wants for her last chapter; dying is not a disease, it is a stage of life. Some folks, like animals, know to trust the natural process and enjoy life while living it, day by day. To prolong one's passing beyond a reasonable point just plays into the Medical Industry and the Death Industry; we Americans monetize/profiteer on Everything. Do things your own way, not what we are programmed to do. If one wants invasive treatments, fine; if one wants a hands-off approach, also fine. The 'demographic bulge' of the Baby Boomer generation is a bonanza for profiteers; if you don't wanna 'play' one should not be forced to, full stop.
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She sounds mentally competent - able to make decisions for herself and understand cause and effect. Under those circumstances, she has the right to live her life the way she chooses. I would ask her to consider allowing a couple more people into her life as "helpers" since you are this young lady could be unavailable or injured/sick.
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Suzy23 Sep 17, 2024
Good advice. The high school girl already quit and we are looking for a new helper. I also need to go out of town from time to time.
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Question: you mentioned that Mom has a bad leg and that she still drives. If it is her right leg, that is a serious safety concern. Mom won't allow any skill evaluations so you need to be the one to decide if she is safe to drive, and you need to be the one to stop her if she is not. Mom has a right to control her own life and death, but not that of anyone else who might be her unintended victim.
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You are doing as much as you can at this time. Your mom is at an age where many things can start to go south for her—diabetes, kidney problems, heart, lungs, etc. Try to get her to see a doctor for a complete health check-up and blood panel. Offer to take her. Also, she is one fall away from a severe injury where she would not be able to care for herself. Her dragging her foot makes it even more likely it can happen. Ask her if you can do a complete exam of her home. If bars in the bathroom are needed, have them installed. Look for any rugs or other objects she could trip over. Check all electrical cords with safety in mind. Make sure all smoke and carbon monoxide detectors are in working order. Make sure she knows her escape routes in case of fire. Have a first aid kit available for her. Supply her with grabbers in various rooms so she never climbs even a footstool to reach things. Talk over plans ahead of time should she require rehabilitative care for an injury or illness. Reassure her every day that she is loved, valued, and appreciated. In doing this, when her time has come, you will not have any regrets about showing her she is loved and cared for. Best of luck to you, and remember to take care of yourself.
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Having gone thru this with each parent, I believe following your mother's wishes are not only respectful, but wise. Easier on both of you.
My mother ended up in long term swing bed, which is basically hospitalization even though she could use a wheelchair 4 of those years.
Thank God I was able to "grandfather" her monthly charge or payments or I would have been paying $8,200 at her passing, instead of $5,800.

The care was good, sometimes too good. And this is my only addition to the excellent responses you've received. Be very cautious when she requires antibiotics, as there are some which are considered live extending. Sure wish I could remember which one they called asking my permission to administer. You can get caught emotionally disadvantaged with urgent calls. Later mothers doctor called and apologized for them overlooking her last wishes giving her that antibiotic. Truthfully, it was the pharmacist who first alerted me!
Mom's response was to have an even more strict Living Will drawn up and kept at the nurses station, which named the life altering antibiotics.
The mistake caused another 4 years fairly bedridden, certainly totally dependent.
This last year, entering my 70's, I have updated my Living Will and prepared all documents so my Healthcare Representative has an easier experience which also respects my wishes.

Good luck & God Bless@
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right or wrong its what she wants. even if you are there for the smallest of issues she I'm sure apricates nothing more nothing less. You simply fixed what she ask for. As far as dementia goes NO MEAN NO regardless of mental state. for some elderly when your done your done. I think the high school student is a better choice as they don't normally question what ever the request is so its easier for mom to deal with. It a crisis should arise and if she's able to communicate her wishes then listen to her. if she is unable to communicate you already know what she wants so abide by it regardless of the possibility she may leave to meet Dad. As far as a facility of any kind they are usually there when a person has no available care at home. For some the worst feeling in this world is knowing you through her away when all you had to do is follow her directions. unfortunately there are people that would do just that. Now its okay for mom to be angry as that's part of the process. most family want to get angry back. WHY that would be like taking sand to the beach. let her vent for what ever reason even if it doesn't make sense. when she's done HUG her and tell her you love her and move on. please just remember your doing a great job as best you can and in the end you will look in the mirror and thank your self you deserve it.
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I agree with AlvaDeer, be thankful that your mother has spelled out her wishes so explicitly. It could be worse. You could face her future health crises without knowing what to do next.

You ask how should you cope?

Love your mother, be there for her. And be thankful that she has let you know in advance what her wishes are. And let nature take its course.

She ( as all of us) will not live forever.

Focus on the good times you and she have now. Make the most of the time you have now. That is what she is asking you to do.

If she has not already, talk with her about preparing for after death. That is one area where many of us are unprepared. Make sure she clarifies, in writing, her wishes for funeral, disposition of her body, and how to manage her material belongings, including all accounts to be paid, closed, and assets to be distributed.
Then, let her be. She will be comforted by the fact that she is prepared for anything. And hopefully, so will you.
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All you can do is be at peace with her wishes and gently try to encourage her to take care of basic things like dental cleanings and eye exams. These are quality of life issues as long as she is still on this earth - they don’t necessarily prolong or extend life - they just make it more comfortable. That is all you can do. If a crisis happens you may have to be her advocate and decision maker. That means you will make the best decisions you can balancing her wishes and reasonable medical care. Your decisions might have to be at odds with her thinking if it is clearly poor thinking that will cause her to suffer. BTW, if she is certain that she does not want medical intervention if she goes into cardiac arrest or stops breathing, then you need to obtain and post a valid DNR order on her bedroom door. In a crisis a paramedic team will not wait for you to pull out her living will. They will start CPR if there is no DNR order.
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As fa as I see it, if you cannot abide by her wishes, stepdown. I am 90 years old and when one of my daughters, said she could not pull the plug, I made the other one my POA because she could. None of us know the future just try to take it as it comes You might ask her if she would go for Hospice is she is in unbearable pain
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Suzy23 Sep 17, 2024
Thank you. My dad was in hospice for a few months before his death in May. I think my mom would agree to hospice and I know she would agree to painkillers. I will abide by her wishes.
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