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I Live in South Carolina. Mother in nursing facility in Los Angeles with Advanced stage four cancer. She has No will. I am not listed as a beneficiary and obtaining a POA not possible due to Covid 19 and no Notary may not go into the facility. Her apartment manager wants her belongings gone by the end of the month and I do not have the resources to do so. I have a job, home and animals to take care of and live alone. No siblings. So here I sit.

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We recently moved mthr's things out in an area with rampant COVID. The care home would not allow us to come in. I asked for photos and postcards to be saved, and I later picked up that box outside the facility. Her easy chairs, bookshelves, and other furnishings were distributed to staff who might want them, residents, or donated or trashed. There just was not much worth keeping. You can let it go and it will be ok.
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Gyorgyi Jun 2020
I feel like I have to detach myself from her belongings so I can deal with not being able to separate her personal items from those that will end up being donated or sold by the apartment landlord. She worked very hard for all these things but in the end she will never ware those clothes again, read those books, listen to beautiful music, etc (she can barely walk, not to mention dress herself, she went from a vibrant woman to a hunched over potato bug (stage four cancer, and I never knew it). Her personal treasures a few, but it still hurts. I sometimes feel I have to imagine that the apartment burnt down and there is nothing left so that I don't feel guilty about not hording her belonging that she will never see again regardless. Thank you for your feed back. As you said "I can let go, and it will be okay".
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Can you ask the social worker at the facility for advice? I doubt the landlord is going to be asking for a POA if someone shows up to clear the apartment for them. I think, according to the law, the landlord needs to inventory the items and safely store them for a period of time. I'm sure they would rather someone come and get them.

I like mrbills suggestion of having one of your mom's friends look through the belongings if there is anything you want to save. Other than that, let the landlord handle it. What else can you do?

I'm sorry you're going through this.
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Have you spoken with the landlord and explained your situation? I would try that to bide time, maybe 2 weeks or a month.

This IS a tough one.

I believe the landlord is within his rights to ask the apartment be vacated. If the rent for the month has gone unpaid (has it? And for how long?) what else can they do? No altruism exists at a rental/mgmt company.

Senior living is at a premium these days. What if someone is on the waiting list for that apartment and has been waiting for a long time? It’s only fair to vacate your mom’s possessions as soon as you can so another person in need can have it. If it is unclaimed they landlord can put the items at the curb for you or whoever to go through, then have it hauled away.
Does your mother have a security deposit there? If so landlord will most likely have her forfeit that and he will use that $ to clean out the apt and throw the stuff out.

If you as her daughter can’t get there nor afford it your hands are tied. Sorry as this must be very sad for you.

Packing up items and shipping cost a lot of $. The landlord isn’t going to fund that. So if you can’t afford it, try to make one trip there now to retrieve any momentos you may want to keep and then shut the door and let it go.
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Gyorgyi Jun 2020
Thank you for your reply and compassion. Every little bit helps.
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Here in my town they have stopped all evictions because of the COVID-19 virus. Look into that in LA, it might buy you some extra time.
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mterpin Jun 2020
Yes - I would look into that as well. I don't think they can evict anyone right now. What part of Los Angeles is your mothers apartment in? It would make a difference. Some parts are not in the incorporated area of L.A. Here is the link to the site. It looks like unless they extend, the last date is June 30th, for the moratorium. But it may be extended. https://dcba.lacounty.gov/noevictions/

Also, don't worry about the POA. I don't have one for either parent, and everything has worked out just fine. When the time came for my Dad, I had to sign the DNR myself, and not one person asked me for any legal documents.

As a side note, I just went to Los Angeles to clean out my parents home.
I had thought that I would wait until my mother passed away, but Covid presented a unique opportunity to do stuff like this on your own, and I really don't believe that my Mom will ever go back to the house. The house was about 3000 sq ft, and I ended up tossing almost everything with the exception of photos. We filled up two large dumpsters with 12 tons of stuff. In an odd way it was cathartic to do so much tossing. Every toss felt like a large weight off my shoulders.
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I went through something very similar to your situation a few years ago.
I traveled across the country to pack up the apartment of an elderly relative with dementia. One of my cousins wanted me to bring EVERYTHING back. If I'd listened to my own better judgment, I would have donated almost everything and left it there! It was hauled back in a POD and put into storage. After she passed, it was all disposed of. The only things her siblings really valued were the old family photos.

Speak to a Social Services director or some other administrative type person there at the facility where your mom is and see if they can recommend someone who handles elder relocation services such as what is needed. Is/was she a member of a church there? When I packed up my aunt's apartment, she and her husband had been longtime members of a church of which they had been very active. The church had a ministry that did the very thing you have described (packing up elderly people's homes). This group came and helped me and I could NEVER have done it without them!

Perhaps you could located a church near her apartment which has that type of ministry and have them take care of it, with a special request they save and ship to you any photos or jewelry items.

There HAS to be some type of group that goes and does that sort of thing.
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Gyorgyi Jun 2020
Thank you for your reply. After weighing out the situation, I realized I would only end up storing her belongings and then what? I do not have the time to run around and try to sell the few valuable items that she owns. I decided to keep the memories and let the landlord compensate for any expenses accrued for having the items donated, sold, etc.
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I’m so sorry you and your mother are suffering and now the landlord just added one more thing to the pile. It’s so overwhelming and you feel you’re going to crack at any moment, my heart goes out to you.
First if all any changes, notices etc with the landlord must be in writing, it’s the law. My sister & I live in California and she runs a property management & knows the laws. He cannot just call you and say he wants your mother out by the end of the month. He must give written notice whether it’s a 3 day notice to pay or quit because rent is behind or a notice to evict and I believe it’s now a 60 day notice to evict. He must post the notice at the residence and mail a certified copy. If I were you I would place an address change with the post office so her mail is forwarded to you. If it comes down to him cleaning out her apartment, if anything is valued at more than $250 he must store it. Remember unless you have signed paperwork you are not financially responsible for her debts. What I have learned is that the memories are in my head and although I would like to keep all of my moms things it’s just stuff. This is a very emotional and overwhelming time for you, please take care of yourself first.
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Gyorgyi Jun 2020
Thank you for your reply it was a huge emotional help. Your right it's the memories that I need to store not her "things"....
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Is there a church or other organization where people know your mother? Could they get a work party together to move her stuff out? Can you afford to get it stored or shipped ? If she didn't have this type of group try contacting Catholic Community Services or similar organizations there for help.
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Gyorgyi Jun 2020
I looked into EVERY possibility to retrieve her belonging and the cost and time involved does not outweigh the few possessions she has left. I makes me very sad.
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As a notary in NC, they have changed the laws for notaries in some places because of Covid. I can now "watch" someone sign something via Facetime or Zoom and can noterize it when they send it to me in the mail. So more than likely, you can get the POA if you and your mom feel that is nessesary to help her.
And you are right, her belongings are just things, unless you have someone (perhaps a church member?) that you can ask to help pick up the items that have any special meaning to them (family heirlooms or such), then just let them go, they are just things. I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this in such a crazy time and from so far away.
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Judysai422 Jun 2020
ALos, most LTC facilities have someone on staff who is a notary. Ask them.
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Wow, that's not an easy situation. Is there any other family? Or friends? Who was Mom's close contacts in LA before she had to go into hospice? I'm wondering if there are a group of people Mom was close to there who can go to the apartment to help.
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Gyorgyi Jun 2020
She was a loner, even with myself. Very independent and to proud to ask for any assistance. I never even knew she was sick. Unfortunately her choices created this said situation. The landlord will take over and she can keep any monies she acquires from her belongings to cover the cleaning fee etc. Her rent is up end of June and she is also apparently two months behind since she stopped working this March due to the virus and was unable to walk to get to the bank, etc, due to her health. (she's 80) I've yet to hear back regarding what she is planning to do with these items, but at this point what does it matter, I have no say since there is no POA and Mother is still living and lucid. Thank you.
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Since you are not legally responsible for her then I can't see how it is your problem. I there anyone local who could retrieve any small valuables or sentimental items? Beyond that I rather doubt that anyone who has been living in a facility has very much of value, either tell the facility to deal with it or hire a junk removal service.
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