Hi everyone,
My mom is 72. She has been having financial issues for many years. Lived with my family and I (husband and two boys) a while back in her 60s and it was very difficult. Then, she was able to move into an apartment for a while. Later, she lost her job (close to retirement anyway) and couldn’t afford anything on her own. We had bought a much larger home in the meantime. No MIL suite, however, There were very little options for us aside from her moving in with my husband and two kids again. (There was a 3-year wait list for low-income housing.) So, she’s here and pays us rent monthly (a good amount I must add, but way less than she’d pay in an apartment.) However, some things are off-putting and one of the things was she came into our home with the rule that she refused to cook. I’m a homeschooling mom and my husband works a corporate job. We are both extremely busy, while my mom, now retired (because of us providing a home for her), does nothing all day. We included her in our dinners and finally got her to cook or at least provide dinners one day a week, but this setup has always bothered me. I do believe there are some narcissistic tendencies there and this is part of it. Her reasoning is that she hates cooking and all these years of cooking and she’s done with it, that I have to cook for my family anyway, so …? I feel it’s selfish and terribly unfair. She said she’ll clean after dinner (as we all pitch in on that as well.) Does this sound like narcissism to you? Just seeking validation because any time I bring it up, she gets annoyed and can’t have a normal conversation. It’s like talking to a 2-year-old. I’m at the point of saying no more dinners with us. She’ll have to provide for herself.
I think you need some personal outlets. You are more than a mom, and a care taker. Try to do something just for you. It's not frivolous, but a necessity. That will be an outlet, you can decompress, and face life with a calmness you didnt have before. It's not being selfish, but a necessity.
Are you able to get her to set the table, do dishes, or something else, maybe dust, fold laundry, set her up to mop a floor? Put groceries away? Does she have cognitive issues, even occasionally? People who have mild cognitive issues can get belligerent and hide it. Perhaps cooking a meal is to many steps? Or following a recipe. It is easier to be belligerent then say, I can't do it.
If you can find something she can do, that might be a decent trade off. Maybe involve the kids, and her. Make it fun. And teach kids it is not a boring chore, but we are all chipping in and helping the family. A very important lesson. And isnt it nice to have fresh clothes, a made bed, and a clean family room. How helpful they are. My mom kicked us kids out to clean. I had to learn how to do it on my own as a young adult. I would have loved knowing a good weekly system.
When I was in school, we had chores. I always felt good knowing we were setting tables, and doing dishes for the good of everyone. It was nice knowing that. It never seemed like this is awful. Why do I have to do this chore? Different mind set makes all the difference!
(In another thought) I found some ladies on YouTube that put crock pot meals together, then freeze them. It doesn't take long, and it is so nice to have back up meals when you dont want to cook. It might take a half hour or more, depending on how many meals you want to do ahead of time. You can get the kids, and mom to help. It teaches kids how to plan ahead. It is basically dumping items in freezer bags. There are stands you can buy to hold the bags open, so they dont spill contents out. The kids can dump and mix meals. Mom can open the meat or a can. You can supervise and read the recipe out. See how everyone is working together for the greater good of the family? Be sure to praise everyone for helping. They were such good helpers! Now you have meals for a month. One less thing to think about. Yea!
The meals are tasty, and I enjoyed knowing I had serveral back up meals in my freezer ready to go. It's nice to know I can just toss in the crock pot, and dinner is almost done. A big relief, when you dont want to cook, or have to figure out what to make, and what's in the cupboard. They have 5,10, 20 etc meal recipies. You just pick how many you want to do. That reminds me, I need to put more together :D They are so handy.
Id find something your mom can do, and let it go. At least she isn't complaining about your meals.
Your probably going to have to treat her as an extra kid. I'd pick something she can do, and leave it at that. It will also teach your kids, about caring for elderly, and to have patience. Those little minds are always watching.
Is your mom a narc? Maybe, but I'd rather let the resentment go, and have a better day, than dwell on it. That resentment will just eat away at you, and effect your health and mental state. You dont want your kids thinking your always in a bad mood and resentful. Take the kids and mom on a walk, or kids get their bikes and go around the neighborhood and enjoy the day. Or have a game night, or movie night. Let it go. Good luk
DEAR 80 AND HOLDING: Thank you for sending it to me. I agree, the rules are worth repeating. Read on:
DEAR ABBY: When my husband's mother came to live with my husband and me 23 years ago, she made our lives so miserable I vowed I would never bring such misery to my children if I ever had to live with them. One day, I wrote myself a letter containing some rules. I put it in an envelope marked, "To be opened on the day I go to live with one of my children" -- then I put it away.
I've been widowed and self-sufficient for eight years, but I was recently forced to give up my job and move in with my daughter. I'm submitting that letter. Perhaps your older readers might benefit from it, as I intend to. Here are the rules:
-- Give what you can toward your keep. Any budget will stretch just so far.
-- Keep yourself clean and neat. Fresh undies and daily baths are a must.
-- Remember, it is their home. Give them privacy at every opportunity.
-- Try to make your own friends and develop interests outside the home.
-- If you suspect they would like to go away on a vacation but are hesitant because of you, offer to visit another relative or friend so they will be free to go.
-- Don't offer any advice or express any opinion on family matters unless asked.
-- Volunteer information that they might be too embarrassed to ask for, such as arrangements for your burial, hospitalization, etc.
These rules were written more than 22 years ago. I read them often and am determined to keep them. -- 76 AND HOLDING
When my Mom lived with me she had a house so most of her SS when to keeping it up till it sold. She did have a small pension check that I used on her needs. Did I charge her room and board, no because we did not need the money. But there are children that do need the money. One more person in their home can put a financial burden on them especially if the child needs to quit a job or cut down on hours to care for a parent. Then I see no reason the parent shouldn't pay something towards the house hold.
The OP certainly seems to me like the narcissistic one here. No matter how it's sliced and diced, the bottom line is she does not want her mother living at her house.
What would your expectations be, if you were talking about your dad, rather than your mom?
You moved your mother into ypur existing household. You did not hire a cook.
I do not like to cook, either.
She’s your mother, not your cook, or maid.
It is not your mother's responsibility to be your chef nor become the housekeeper and babysitter.
You are being extremely unreasonable and this mindset of your is abusive and entitled.
This is a woman in her 70s who has paid and paved her dues to society, the workforce, and has raised children for most of her life.
She is retired now, and her abilities and capabilities are different now.
She has earned the right to do what she wants. How selfish of you to demand and expect her to cook or do anything for that matter. She hates cooking, she probably always hated it but did it to feed her family.
I don't know what you mean by revoking or restrict her access to food with you and your family because she doesn't want to cater to you. That sounds highly like elder abuse. Restricting to break her will so that she'll cave in and become your servant.
Also no one ever does "nothing". You don't know what's going on with her mentally, emotionally, physically, etc ... That she may spend most of her time trying to work through and process. She's had to endure, adjust, and adapt to a lot of changes. Such as having to uproot her life, becoming older, retiring, adjusting to living with you all, becoming less capable and independent, a demanding daughter who she may be unsure that loves her, etc...you don't know what she's doing or going through.
Even if she loved cooking and offered to cook. It is not her responsibility to feed your family. That responsibility falls on you and your husband. No one else's. You aren't a little girl anymore, coming home from school and waking up to home cooked meals. Knowing that you'd get home cooked meals everyday or whenever she cooked.
Those days are completely over with. You can't recreate those days. You can be happy and grateful that you have those memories to cherish.
Feed your mom, drop the expectations and demands.
Figure out, and feed your family with your husband.
Get take in, order in, get easy to fix meals. Perhaps oven and microwavable, already prepared meals.
Leave your mom alone.
Perhaps you should go to therapy. You obviously have some resentment issues towards your mother and maybe others, and perhaps issues with the life you've chosen for yourself.
Whichever it is, while you wait for her to come to the top of the list on senior housing, you need some rules and some boundaries. If she has offered to clean up after meals, there is no need for all the rest of you to ‘pitch in’ to help. Let that be one of the things she does. If she will pay for take-out at least once a week, let her do it and choose her own meal (for all of six of you), as well as clean it up. If you think the rent is not enough, do some sums and make it a fair amount. Include the cost of utilities as well as whatever work you do to look after the areas she (unfortunately) shares. If getting senior housing is going to require a bond, put up the rent enough to save in a separate account for her bond.
If you simply have to wait this out, make the rules and the boundaries enough to let you feel that you are at least getting a fair deal. If you need to, buy a freezer with enough space for you to cook in bulk. It really does help! In the meantime, you do have my sympathy for being your current lack of alternatives. Best wishes, Margaret
What your parent has does sound like narcissism but only you know your parent best. Maybe it could also be depression. I have to deal with my Elderly parent's mood swings which goes from happy to angry and back all in one day. Other times he is mostly okay but when he is negative he stays that way and nothing I say will change that. Maybe if you are able to sit down and talk to her when she is in a good mood about what you need her to do for herself, that would help you out with your daily responsibilities.
With your history with Mom, you should never have taken her in. And feel lucky that she pays you rent. There are those who can't get a penny out of a parent living with them.
So the cooking really isn't all of it. In my area there are HUD apts. They go by income and require 30% of monthly income. Heat is included and electric is only a certain amt a month. There are resources out there Mom could take advantage of. Get her name into these low income apts. Its usually the "good hearted" child the parent is sure will do for them and will take advantage of the child.
You set boundries for you and you stick by them. Moms boundary is she won't cook. But she will clean up. I make a mess in the kitchen. Would love for someone to clean up. Everyone can walk their dishes to the sink area. Push in their chairs and leave. Let Mom clean up and this includes sweeping the floor. Leftovers put away. Dishes put away after washing. Mom should be cleaning her room. Doing her laundry. If she has no car, using a Senior bus service to get to appts and shop.
Anyway… as others have said, deep down you likely resent having Mom there for a second round. Or resent that she did not plan for the future and just assumed you would take care of her instead.
Mom refusing to cook dinner isn’t the problem. Your feelings about Mom and her living with you again are the problem.
It sounds like Mom has ‘retired’, in that she’s decided these are her golden years and it’s time for her to act like a retiree. An attitude of “I’m old so I deserve to be cared for.” If she is physically and mentally able to do everyday things and drive, there’s no reason for her to live each day as if she is too infirm to do so.
72 is not terribly old. She could live another 20 years. Can you handle that? Can your family handle that?
Lastly, you mentioned that you’re homeschooling. There’s a misconception that homeschooling parents have more time during the day or can set whatever schedule they want. Which is seldom the case! Does your mom see how much homeschooling takes up your time and efforts?
One of my aunts was like that. She wasn't interested, she had better things to do with her time, and left to her own devices she lived on... do you know, I can't remember *any* dishes she preferred. I do remember her making faces because there was Port Salut cheese in my mother's fridge and she thought it too smelly (it's barely more strong-smelling than its plastic packaging). Anyway: food, not interested.
The other aunt was pretty good at mass catering, buffets, family get-togethers and so on, but as a Coeliac couldn't enjoy a very varied diet.
My mother beat herself up about it, as she did about gardening for that matter, and felt that she wouldn't go to heaven unless she could force herself to enjoy cooking for her family.
But back to your MIL. Okay, she doesn't have to wield a saucepan if that's not her thing, but 2 x weekly it is her turn to feed the five of you. If that's take-out or microwave dinners or shop-bought sandwiches so be it, but it IS her turn. (Personally, if it were me, I'd allocate her those evenings when I'm likely to be out).
Don't get punitive about it. It'll only make you feel worse about the issue.
rooted issues that I don’t even know how to get over. I could go on and on but I didn’t want to turn this into a bash-fest. That’s not my intention. I was seeking opinions because there is no guide book to follow with all of this. Everyone I have spoken to said they could never live with their mothers. And, to those who say she’s not my child…well, it feels as if she is! It has felt that way for many years when she can’t manage her own finances when we have repeatedly tried to help her. I have no support because I know no one else in this situation. I come here, big mistake! There have only been a couple compassionate comments and I am truly grateful for those who can see through the difficulty and challenges this situation brings to people who are in it.
My mother lives with us and also does not cook since she moved in 6 years ago. Very annoying, before she had dementia. She'd brag to her friends about not cooking and I wanted to smack her. I thought it was somewhat easier just to let it go but in hindsight I wish I'd put my foot down and "made" her provide dinner a couple of nights a week. But if your mom doesn't want to cook and told you that upfront, I think you need to find a way to deal with that and stop wasting your energy being angry about it.
I would keep including her in your meals. If not, I think it would be terribly awkward.
That's actually the deal when we have long term guests, I cook, you clean.
You say she does nothing all day, does that mean she isn't taking care of her own laundry and cleaning? Does she help with the common areas that she uses?
Maybe it's time for a schedule of her responsibilities in the home.
Paying rent doesn't get you a servant in my home. Everyone contributes to the upkeep of the house and yard, if not, bye-bye now.
You have taken responsibility for your mom and you obviously resent having to open your home because she failed to plan or wasn't able to. Perhaps stepping back from owning her responsibilities and making her look at what options she has will help you feel less responsible for her, because you're not. She could live a loooong time and you don't want this to be your home environment, it's unhealthy for all of you.
I also never want to mess with my daughter's kitchen.
I'd never cook for my SILs as I'd be corrected at every turn.
Or my MIL, as I know (as your Mother may well) that each Castle has only One Queen.
Now short term 'guests' in your home may cook a meal to 'pay' for their stay. But Mother is a 'tennant' & pays her rent.
Her boundary is cooking. She said it from the start.
For the sake of your relationship, I'd honor her boundary.
I've found when people continue to try to knock down my boundaries on clearly stated issues, I put up greater walls. Over time, if they persist, the walls thicken & degrade the relationship.
Not all family can live together. I'd keep looking out for the next abode for Mom.
Narcissism? Nope, just from the tone of your post, sounds like your Mom could be afraid to touch anything in your house. Food for thought.