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She’s very defensive, rude in public, makes embarrassing scenes when interacting with landscapers, mechanics, wait staff. She’s always been self centered and dismissed anything going on in everyone else’s life.
I find it difficult to visit because of the emotional exhaustion I experience. It is traumatic to have her scream and cry like she does. My siblings and I are not on the same page. I think she’s depressed and showing signs of dementia. My one sibling dismisses me when I bring it up and says she needs to exercise and we should be more patient and that we owe her. This is the one who takes her to doctor appointments and when she does, my mother’s mini cog test comes back perfect. She failed when I took her.
bottom line, I feel like a terrible daughter for not finding the love I should have for my mom. I’m sick over this.

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We don't get to choose our parents but we do get to choose how much or little we interact with them. Also, you aren't responsible for her happiness. She is an adult who had her entire life to deal with her mental illness and didn't. That's not your fault. It's not something that "love" can cover over and fix. She is making everyone who orbits around her sick as well. I recently learned of a resource from my long-time friend who is a psychologist who runs training for EMDR therapy. First, I would suggest checking out EMDR to help you overcome the trauma of being raised by such a person. And maybe you (or your siblings) can benefit from CODA meetings, which are a type of 12-step program for people in dysfunctional co-dependent relationships (like your one sister, for sure). https://coda.org/find-a-meeting/online-meetings I wish you all the best as you work your way to a healthy state of mind.
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I have a bipolar sister. I had a decent relationship with her for 50 years. The last seven years have been very very rough. last year I had to distance myself from her due to the anger and rage for seven years. I could no longer take it The toughest thing was really grieving the loss of the relationship, which was like I said once very good.

I would stop taking her to restaurants so that you don’t have to interact with the wait staff and I would try and avoid taking her to the mechanic also.
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I’ve been NC with my mentally ill sister with bipolar and borderline disorders. It’s the best thing I have done for my self.

You and I owe them NOTHING as we have paid dearly with their abuse.

Not. One. Thing.

You have my blessing to stop visiting her if that is what you want.

leave the FOG— no fear, obligation or guilt
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Socrates,
You say that your mother has made a point that you kids are INDEBTED to your parents.
You say that is where the guilt comes from.
But you are wrong. The guilt comes from your willingness to choose to accept what someone says simply because she says it, and even when you know it is nonsense.

Our parents have children, and WE have children either because we plan and WANT Them or because we are insufficiently proficient in using birth control. And it is the PARENT who owes the child a decent honest home, food, loving care. The child pays that forward to their OWN children.

Only a selfish Narcissistic person believes their child OWES them, and demands fealty as tho they captured a slave rather than had a child.

You are a grown adult.
If you choose to BELIEVE this cruel and selfish woman then that's on YOU.
You can instead tell her the facts of life so that next life she doesn't have a child as some sort of misbegotten insurance policy.

Time to level with your mother and make a quality life for yourself.
If you choose to be martyred by her no one will thank you. Not her. No one.
It's up to you. Get some therapy and think about all this. EVERY day is a new day, and it is never too late, and this is all in YOUR OWN HANDS.
Your mom will never respect you as long as you are her muddy door mat.
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Socrates77

Welcome to the forum.

This can be an exciting time for you if you want to work on feeling better.

There are many good books that deal with attachment disorder and childhood trauma. Most of these authors have YouTube videos where they are being interviewed. I will mention a couple below that I’ve found helpful.
Lindsey C Gibson. “Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents”and her latest, “Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People”.
Richard Perry “What Happened to You”. Much from him online regarding childhood trauma and neglect.


I also would like to ask what benefit you feel it will give you to declare your mom incompetent?

It really won’t change anything about your childhood to correctly diagnose your mom. But working on your own issues can allow you to heal from it and perhaps forgive your mom. You may be able to let go of the feelings that no longer serve you.

This would be very freeing for you. Remember that we can only change ourselves. We can’t change others. But the changes you make in yourself can help others your life influences.

About sis. She had a different experience than you. That doesn’t invalidate either of you. It’s just that what is true for her is not true for you. Sis is right about exercise helping mom regulate her moods. Read about rhythm and regulation. It helps us all. it is interesting that mom tests so very different depending on who takes her to the doctor. Perhaps a validation of how her moods control her??
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I had two coworkers that were both confirmed as being Bipolar/ Manic Depressive. They shared this fact with everyone in the department as according to them it made it easier for us to deal with them, it did not. You are not terrible for not finding the love you *should* have for your mother. When my coworkers finally both left we had a secret party after work. Shortly after that our unit head noted in a meeting that "everyone seems to be getting along so much better these days". One of my coworkers quipped "well we aren't being held emotionally hostage anymore"........
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You cannot force yourself to love your mom. Or force your mom to love you. Your mom very clearly doesn’t love you.

And that is not your fault. Or problem.

The “honor thy mother” does not mean you should take her abuse. The “but it’s your mother!” is also not applicable when she wasn’t a good mother to you. Yes, she fed you, changed your diapers, all that… but guess what? She CHOSE to have you. Even if you were an “oops”, she chose to go ahead with the pregnancy. That’s on her. You didn’t ask to be here. She cannot hold
power over you for something she decided to do (have you).

Say you’re in a job you don’t enjoy. You kind of dread going to work every day. Because each day as soon as you take one step in the door? The boss immediately gets in your face. Is rude. Reminds you how annoyed he is with you. You can’t do anything right. All criticism, all the time.

But you keep going in daily and don’t intend to quit. Because he’s your boss and you should respect him. He signs your paychecks. He is your employer. You should feel obliged and grateful, and always smiling and upbeat. ”I can’t just quit! He’d be furious! I owe him. I just need to feel better about him.”

See how insane that sounds? Is your mental health not important?
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Who says you ‘should have love for your mother’? Even the 10 Commandments only go as far as “honor”, which after chasing through multiple translations from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin and English appears to mean something like “don’t disrespect them in public”.

Most of us (including me) can’t get away from a strong connection to a difficult parent, but it certainly doesn’t always include love. Decide for yourself how you feel, what you want to do, and what boundaries will work for you. Your sister feels differently. Be grateful that she does.
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Socrates77 Apr 10, 2025
Thank you!
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Are you living with your this person, are you depending on her? Your problem may not be your mom.
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Socrates77 Apr 10, 2025
I don’t live with her or depend on her for anything. She depends on her three daughters (including me) for all her doctor visits, bills, monitoring her finances, and anything having to do with her home (lightbulbs, hvac, you name it). We are first generation and my mom can’t read or write. We’ve been doing these things since we learned how to read.

One sibling does live with her. She’s divorced and trying to get back on her feet. She gets it the worst as my mom tells her daily that she owes her.
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Like any mental disorder, Dementia usually comes into the picture. My cousin is BiPolar and so far does good but he is now 73 and comes from a family that ALZ runs in the family. Another cousin, parents are sibs, is 69 with BiPolar and I have heard she is off the rails. Should be placed, but DH won't do it.

Having someone with BiPolar must be like walking on eggshells all the time. You never know what kind of mood they will be in. My cousin, I call, he may pick up he may not. He may not like something I said and get upset with me. He gets glad later. I go with the flow. He lives on the other side of the country. If I had to live with him or near him, it would be hard. I know I could not take the being OK one day and the manic the next day.

Your not a terrible daughter. Its hard to love someone who is like this. You take their actions personally.
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I am very curious why you feel you should/could love a person who has never been anything to you other than a problem?

Or was there a time when she wasn't thusly limited, and was a kind and loving woman.

It goes against the laws of nature to love an abuser.
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Drivingdaisy Apr 10, 2025
Alva, I honestly don't see it as unusual, actually the opposite, this happens all the time, or there would be so many people staying in abusive relationships. Stockholm syndrome, is very common.

It's not healthy for sure , but it happens all the time.
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Stop discussing mom with your siblings, it’s not productive for anyone. Do only for mom what you’re comfortable with and nothing more, minus explaining or justifying your choices. No one “owes” their parent, caregiving has to be done out of a desire to help or it doesn’t work for either person. Please know it’s never wrong to protect your own emotional and physical health. I wish you peace
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My moms mentality came across to me as possible dementia, my brothers thought I was NUTs. Well turns out that my mom was working so hard to control me, get what she wanted outta me, gaslighting me, that I got her actions confused with dementia, because in my world normal people don't act this way. People without dementia are much nicer to the people doing for you, to the people they need. Well turned out my mom doesn't have dementia, just an aging brain, she was just so busy trying to put my brain in a fog, I think she put her brain in a fog also.

I'm wondering if this is what's going on here, when you took mom to the doctors

You don't have to visit, honestly if mom brings you down for your health you shouldn't visit.

I completely laid down the law to my family, they all know what I am willing to do and what I won't do, and also most importantly, how they are going to treat me!!! My mother needs me, my family needs me, they all know without a doubt, I will walk if they ever push me again, and if I'm not treated with respect.

We all deserve respect, we all have the right to walk away, if we are not respected.
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Socrates77 Apr 10, 2025
You bring up some very good points. I think you are spot on about the manipulation part. Thank you
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You get to live your life the way you want. Your sister gets to live her life the way she wants. Your mother emotionally abused you, makes embarrassing scenes, screams and cries. You are perfectly entitled to not love someone like that or to spend time with her. Don't waste your time thinking you're terrible and feeling sick about it. Just put up whatever boundary is appropriate (including no contact with your mother if necessary), and get on with your life with people who respect you. Some parents treat their children differently from one another. If your sister wants to continue a relationship with your mother, that's her choice. But she doesn't get to guilt-trip you. Consider getting some therapy to help you heal from the unjustified guilt.
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Socrates77 Apr 10, 2025
Thank you. Boundaries are difficult to stick to when mom keeps calling. I’m trying.
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