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I’ll try to be succinct! My mom’s vascular dementia has been worsening and her bloodwork/meds are constantly changing. Dad is extremely stressed and unable to be her caregiver. A personal care aide comes daily.
Their initial retirement plan was to move to a condo in FL. Later they realized that would be too hard & got on the waitlist at a local 55+ community. Now 6 months later, her medical team says she belongs in a Memory Care facility.
In the past, mom always said (and made us promise) she would never go to a care home. And I’m afraid dad will have sticker shock over the expense and try to delay the inevitable. (He does not need care and will continue to live independently- willingly downsizing to an apartment.)Any advice on the actual wording & tone for this conversation would be appreciated. I need to write up an outline with focused talking points. My goal is to have the discussion in a calm and organized way. Thank you all in advance for your advice.

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You might want to explore a multi level facility with IL, AL and MC together so that he can walk over and visit. Occasionally, some places have 2 sharing the same apartment with the healthier spouse only paying the fees associated with meals
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Texasfirst Feb 12, 2025
Thank you so much for your support
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We all have said that they can live at home till the end but we were unaware of all that pertained to. Be honest, I'm sorry but this place isn't safe for your health and welfare. Dad can no longer take care of you and it's not that he doesn't care, he does, that's why he wants you safe and cared for. Tell them it's not an easy decision to make but the right one. They can't deny they're getting older and they need more attention than any of the family can provide. Don't feel obligated or guilty. You can't do anything about aging parents.
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Texasfirst Feb 13, 2025
Thank you so much for the helpful wording, I will use it in the conversation
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Promises made before tragedy strikes, are of course pushed at once into the realm of nonsense. It would be like promising someone they would never lose their home, and then having an earthquake swallow it. There are many promises made in life, and few of them are kept. Look at the divorce rate after all those vows.
So do set a well-meaning promise to the side.
I will also tell you that any parent who REQUIRES such a promise of you is selfish. I am sorry to be that hard about it, but our parents had their lives. I am now 82. I have had my life. What a horribly selfish thing it would be of me to require my daughter, early 60s, to give up the most free time of her life to throw herself on my burning funeral pyre. That is quite simply not right in any way.

So that's for promises.
Sticker shock. Yes. And there may need to be discussions with an attorney sooner than later so Dad can discuss how best to protect his OWN assets now which he will need for his own care. Because the fact is that his wife does need now to be in memory care; and his own share of assets needs protection.
Get help from financial advisors and from an Elder Law Attorney.

The talking points aren't all that difficult. The facts are there. Your mom now needs memory care; your father cannot take care of her; and you should not be required to. You can help your father explore places. I would suggest in this case using a company such as A Place for Mom after an attorney is seen about assets and finances. (and by the way, POA, will update, any documents such as advance directives that are not already done).
This will be your first exploration. They will want information about Mom and about family assets and affordability. And will be able to give you options.

I am sorry. It won't go smoothly. What in life really does. It won't be easy.
I can only wish you good luck and tell you to take it one step at a time. First is acceptance that mom needs memory care. Next is the attorney. And one step at a time.
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This is a very tough one. Do you live in an area with multiple options for senior living? Can you go online and find some places that multiple levels of care, so that your dad's apartment will be in the same building as your mom's memory care?

Some memory care places are even starting to offer options for the spouse without dementia to live in the same unit as the one who needs it, by offering two-bedroom suites which can be shared by spouses, or by unrelated people at a lower cost. That's usually too constraining for the second spouse, but I know some couples who have done it that way. The healthy spouse comes and goes through the day while knowing that the other is being cared for, and they still sleep together and wake up together in their "home." If you look at newer communities, they can be cheerful or elegant and just look like retirement apartments rather than institutions.

Still, it's not easy. It may take a while. The primary point is that she needs to be SAFE. Emphasize that.

I wish you well. Let us know how it goes.
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Texasfirst Feb 12, 2025
Thank you so much for the kind words. Unfortunately the two of them are not really compatible so it is fine for them to be separated.
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Get POA for both of your parents. Your mom may not be competent enough to grant hers, but that’s for the lawyer to determine. Your dad may not want to cede control of anything to you, but in his case it could be a springing POA that doesn’t go into effect until and unless two doctors agree that it’s time for him to step back and let you handle all business and personal affairs for him. With POA, you have power. Without it, you can talk talk talk and they won’t pay any attention. After you get POA , then you have the chat.

About that promise - it doesn’t count. You had no idea what you were promising. She has no idea what modern facilities are like. It is moot. The important thing now is that mom gets the professional care she needs.

Go look at some facilities. Take dad with you. Then consider the facilities with their entertainment, socializing, companionship and 24/7 care vs an old woman sitting at home, bored, refusing to bathe, and trying to turn on the stove every time the caregiver turns her back. The choice is easy. (My husband is in memory care. He is content and safe, and they’re having a Valentine party on Friday.)
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Texasfirst Feb 12, 2025
Thank you so much. That is helpful. Best wishes to your husband.
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You definitely should talk to your father first without your mother. It was wrong of your mother and every other parent out there who forces and guilts their adult children into promising to put them in a "home". Parents don't care if they ruin their adult chidrens' lives, careers, families, marriages, and homes or if they bankrupt them and they're left in the street.

So long as they don't put mom or dad in a "home".

I think it's absolutely disgusting that a parent would make their children promise such a thing.

Anyway, tell your father privately and it is not going to be easy to tell your mother. Yes, it is expensive but if there's no other option, it is what it is. Be prepared for tears, tantrums, denial, and anger directed at you. If you have siblings all of you should talk to your mother together.

There are assisted living facilities that will let your parents live together. Maybe that can be an option for them.

Your father may want to tell your mother himself that she's getting placed and you won't have to.
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Texasfirst Feb 12, 2025
Thank you so much for the support. Yes I will talk to him first.
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I think you need to start with talking to your father first privately.
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Texasfirst Feb 12, 2025
I definitely will! Thank you
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