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<p class="userway-s14-active">I have posted before about my 75 year old mentally ill, Chainsmoking mother, who had major neck surgery in May. And then she had hospital delirium, but was able to come home after a few extra days in the hospital. Thanks to what I learned here, I was able to delay her hospital discharge.<p class="userway-s14-active">Her neck recovery is going well as far as I know. She’s got a disc in her thoracic spine that is now troubling her a lot. I dread the idea of more procedures to take care of that. She also just completed having all of her teeth, pulled, and Dentures placed. She had a near fainting episode when I was there that day, and another episode of fainting when she had a stomach ache about a week ago. She for some reason *Now has very low blood pressure. Before her surgery it was high and she was started on medication, but now it is low. She’s refusing to see the cardiologist because his co-pay is high on her insurance plan.<p class="userway-s14-active">And we also have been helping more with my husband‘s parents. They are having some medical problems. His father, no longer drives due to vision, problems, and his mother recently had surgery. So during her recovery we had to be their errand runners, etc. And because my mother-in-law was not feeling well, we had to do some extra things for my husband’s 99-year-old grandmother, who is in assisted living, but the family still does a whole lot for her, such as her laundry. They go check on her every day to set up her coffee pot for the next morning, and wash the few breakfast dishes in her room. This is not my doing, this is how my mother-in-law and husband’s aunt have been handling it since she went in in March.<p class="userway-s14-active">And now, another layer has been added to my elder sandwich. My mother’s dad married a woman for his second marriage, much younger than he was. So my mother’s stepmother is about 89 years old. Living alone, and doing very well, except she’s had two Falls recently. For years, anytime, MJ had anything medical or needed extra help, she had a very good neighbor friend to come over. Things like meals after surgeries, the day she fell and tripped over a water hos, The neighbor got her an ice pack and looked after her. I just received the news that helpful neighbor is moving.<p class="userway-s14-active">So MJ called me and asked if she could put my name on her call alert system that she will be getting soon. I told her yes. There really is no one else, all of her friends are 90 years old.<p class="userway-s14-active">My mother hates MJ, for perceived grievances. MJ has been wonderful to me. I love her. She does not have much support though. Her brother, in his 80s, lives about 40 miles away from here. He’s in good shape for now. She just added him to her bank accounts. She’d had a 60 something year old niece as her POA in on her bank accounts, but the niece ended up becoming frail and went into assisted-living herself. her other extended family lives a long ways from here. She never had children.<p class="userway-s14-active">MJ at least is mentally fit, has some financial means, including long-term care insurance. She is also not averse to hiring in-home help. She did it before, when my grandfather had Alzheimer’s, and she took care of him at home. I’m still really nervous about being the only person here.

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My Mantra...I am here to help people find the way, not be the way.

First: If Mom is on blood pressure medicine and now its too low, it needs to be adjusted. She is taking too much.

Your job is to worry about your Mom.
Your step-grandmother, maybe time for her to go to an AL if she can afford it.

Your husbands job is to worry about his parents
Seems husband Grandmother is being taken care of. He has his parents too worry about. Leave the grandmother to her kids.

You cannot be everything to everybody. You need to learn to say No. Sorry, but I am caring for Mom. With MJ, the whole reason for an alert button is when u fall an operator comes on the line and asks if your OK. At that time MJ says I need help and the operator sends help. What MJ needs to do is get a lockbox and put an extra door key in it. Give the operator the code. That code will be given to the responders to be able to get into her apartment.

Before you volunteer for anything think it thru. If for some reason husbands grandmothers caregivers can't be there for her, u don't have to be there to carry on what they are doing. The AL will do her wash. An aide may be willing to set up her coffee pot and do a few dishes. Otherwise, Grandmom gets 3 meals a day and snacks. She gets bathed 3x a week. She has a staff do for her. If her care gets more than the AL is capable of, then she needs to go to LTC. Those arrangement need to be made by one of her children. Grandchildren do not need to be involved if a child is capable of doing.

There are resourses out there. Check them out before volunteering your time. There is Senior bussing for appts and shopping. There are always options. For me, carrying for my Mom was enough and overseeing a disabled nephew who TG was independent just need help with his finances. We took advantage of resources. He now has a coordinator.
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sp196902 Sep 2023
Love the lock box idea.
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Never call a friend or relative for a fall! It's dangerous for them to attempt to get the fallen person up. It opens them to possible lawsuits if they drop or otherwise injure the person. Falls are a situation that should be handled by professional 911 people.

My mom had an issue where when someone tried to lift her up, if they pulled on her shoulder, it would become dislocated. This happened time and again. It caused her a lot of unnecessary pain, and she'd have to go to the ER to have it fixed, but if someone tried to help her up, they wouldn't know that it was a possibility. They were all just trying to help.
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I seriously don't know how to put this nicely so as my gramma Hemmy frequently advised "if you can't give advice nicely, at least be blunt and helpful" YOU NEED TO STOP AND LEARN TO SAY NO. Everyone around you sees you and your husband as a door mat and will continue to walk all over you and off load more and more responsibility until you snap. Aside from you and your husband's direct relations (mom, dad, sisters, and brothers) you have no responsibility to care for these people.

As for your mom. It's time for tough love. She can go to the doctor and do what you say and the doctor or she can go into a facility if she can't afford one it will be where ever Medicaid puts her. If you can't wait for a spot send her to the ER and don't let them discharge her (key words here are 'unsafe discharge' and she has no care at home and is an 'at risk senior') She can't expect to do nothing and have you become a full time nurse for her.
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Oedger, I have a friend who is 77 and who is estranged from both her kids; one lives across 2 oceans, the other is an hour away.

My friend is is pretty decent health but has vaso-vagal episodes at least twice a year. She feel in the subway a few months ago and was taken by ambulance to the hospital to have her broken shoulder set.

My friend understands that she is ONE accident away from needing to go into the local Independent Living Facility, where there will be staff around 24/7 and where she would have a call bell and pendent that will call staff, not relatives or friends.

(when she fell earlier this year, she called ME while she was lying on the subway platform. I wasn't home and if I had been, I would have told her to call 91, which is what a bystander did. She WAS able to get a neighbor to come get her at the hospital at 3 AM; I would have told her to take a cab.)

These are grownups. You are not responsible to their bad decisions.

In your shoes, I think you need to figure out EXACTLY how much help you plan on extending to MJ if the alert company contacts you.

There ARE alternatives for all of these folks--IL, AL, adult foster homes. The state can become their guardian.

You don't HAVE to do anything that you aren't prepared to do.
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Oedgar23 Sep 2023
One positive in the situation is that MJ knows exactly the nightmare that I am currently in with my mother. As long as her mental status remains normal, I don’t think she would put any extra long term full time burden upon me. The wild card is what is she gets dementia or something like that. And then her judgment would be impaired. But for right now, she has rocksolid cognition. she has used home health in the past not only for my Alzheimer’s grandfather, but when she had back surgery some years ago, she paid for help to come to the home. Crossing my fingers she would do that again when the time comes, I also plan to get contact info for her brother, so I can reach him if I need to.
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All of these people are not your responsibility. Seriously you really need to learn how to say NO. This is a slippery slope with a 100 foot drop on both sides that you and your husband are walking on and honestly there is only so much either one of you can do unless you both want to burn out very quickly.

If you and your husband died tomorrow I can bet you that a solution would be found for ALL of these elders and their ever increasing number of needs.

And as for 99 year old grandmother what's the point in her paying for assisted living if she is not going to let them assist her?

Here's my advice:

1. Your mother is a grown woman. If she doesn't want to go to the cardiologist and get checked out it is her choice. Leave it alone. Eventually her stubbornness will be her downfall and the cause of her demise. This happened to my grandmother when she didn't tell my parents about an infection on the back of her legs and my dad noticed it one day and by the time she went to get it treated it was too late.

2. Husband needs to set boundaries with his parents. He cannot be their permanent errand runner and doer as their medical needs prevent them from living independently.

3. Grandmother's refusal to have her assisted living actually assist her needs to stop. Honestly what's the point in her being there if others are still doing her laundry and dishes? It doesn't get any stupider than this. All that money for what?

4. Since MJ has the means and LTC insurance she will have to make use of that when she continues to fall etc. A person can be mentally with it but their body keeps making it so they are no longer independent.

Recognize that and do not become her caregiver too. And obviously she won't hire in home help because she would have done it after her falls instead of burdening her neighbor with propping her up by making her meals, etc.

Sure the neighbor could have said no but you know some people just can't say no.

As for your getting added to her call alert system that's great but can also be the start of her asking you for just one or two small things here and there and before you know it you are knee deep in care giving for her too.
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Oedgar23 Sep 2023
Just for clarification, his parents have been completely independent right up until now. His mother’s surgery recovery should be a temporary setback. His dad has some health problems, and she is mainly been handling that, driving him an hour away to big city, medical care, etc. But, as awesome as mother-in-law is, she is also human and getting older. She should be good for now once she recovers from her surgery. Her parents lived to be 98 and currently 99 years old and counting . I agree with others who have asked why they are doing so much for grandmother in assisted-living. But that really is not my deal either. I’m not in charge of grandmothers care.
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Pass, don't get involved, not your circus, not your monkeys. If need be she should move nearer to her brother, or go in AL.
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As long as you retain your perception that there is "no one else", you will end up being "the plan".
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Oedgar23 Sep 2023
Well, other than her 80 year old plus brother, who lives 40 miles away, or her 90 year old friends that live in other areas of town, I am the only person here. She decided she did not want to have to pull her 90 year old friends out of bed in the middle of the night if she falls or something. She’s been doing well, independent, driving and traveling and socializing. But we all know that changes. These two recent falls are evidence that things are changing. The rest of her family is located elsewhere in the state. I really don’t know who else she would put on the call list for the call alert button. It’s the same with my mothers situation. Her best friend just moved across the country. The other friend has a sick husband. And there’s me. And my husband. We are the only people located in proximity to her that she knows. She does not go to church she does not have other friends, etc.
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