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In the middle of the night wife decided to go to the bathroom, got out of her lounge chair, which is where she sleeps, came back instead of holding onto her rollator she pushed it away turned around fell and hit the table next to her chair. When I awoke I came in to check on her and found her in a lot of pain and blood on a towel under her arm. I checker her and bandaged her arm. I have had many conversations with her about safety, calling me with the button I installed next to my bed, I know she doesn't want to be a burden however I am getting more discouraged every day, it is like she never gets a break with her health, I can't even touch her without having her say that hurts. It breaks my heart to see such a strong individual struggling to get by each day. Sorry, but I needed to vent.

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Bless you for your love and concern! I suggest a commode next to her recliner so she doesn't need to walk. It may smell in the morning but it's safer. This kept my mother from falling (nightly) for a few years until she became incontinent.
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Get a pressure-sensitive alarm. It should be the type that has a pad that sits on the bed or chair and attaches to an alarm. When the pad senses a change in pressure (when your sweet lady tries to get up), an alarm sounds. You'll know when she needs assistance in the evening hours.
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Use a motion detector at night. When she moves it will ring a bell in your bedroom.
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You don't say how old your wife is, we have a similar situation with my mother she is 99 years will be 100 May 7 2025. She has fallen so many times. She uses a walker but forgets to use or doesn't lock it and she will lend on it and it takes off on her with her trying to hold on to it which in turn makes her lose her balance and down she goes . We have been to ER every other week, last time twice in one week. She has a fractured foot right now from the last fall. No matter how many times we tell her, do not move without my sister or I being right there to see she save from falling next thing we know she gone to the bathroom by herself. She gets angry cause she feels we treat her like a child. And we really don't know if it's because she doesn't listen or just forgets and think she can do what's she's been doing all her life. I don't know what the answer is . She also says she doesn't want to be a burden to us but everytime something happens it's more work for us. The sad thing is my sister and myself are 80 n 81. I don't know how much longer we can help her before we need help ourselves.
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Igloocar Jan 16, 2025
If the walker is moving away from her, it sounds like she has a Rollator. Switch back to a regular walker without wheels that you don't need to lock during normal use. If she does not remember your instructions, she may have dementia. Has she been evaluated?
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Fasdog: Prayers sent.
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Maybe speak to her doctor and get advice - but for limited mobility i would probably get her a female urinal - or commode chair so that she doesnt have to travel. I think you need to get care people involved - they will assess what you wife needs. Safety rails - that sort of thing maybe as a starter point but speak to her/your doctor. Best wishes
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Professional help if everything else fails support.
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Yes it does get discouraging - been there.
Just know that with dementia the brain is broken and no matter how many times you say the same thing it will not get to the reasoning part of the brain. I told my daddy not to do this, not to do that and he did it anyway. Just take it one incident at a time.
Hospice is your answer - they will assess your wife and give you the assistance you need. Remember this - Hospice does not equal death! It equals help. Use them and do not go with the first one check them out ask them what kind of services they will assist you with and the most important is - what kind of services they will give you when end of life does come - will they be there 24/7? will they administer the comfort drugs or will you need to do it?
Other questions - what supplies will they GIVE you? do they have a 24 hour call line? will they send a care giver to give a bath? respite care for a few hours at a time? prescriptions?
I had hospice for my daddy - they were great 24/7 care at end of life - they took care of everything even notifying the mortuary. My sisters hospice care sucked - I had to do everything for end of life including notifying the mortuary.
Know that as I close this note I have said a prayer for you and your situation and sending you some cyber hugs (())!
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stillhurting Jan 12, 2025
How much does hospice care if one has medicare? THanks
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I am so sorry about your wife's health. Call 911 or take to emergency room. Refuse a discharge. You need someone to help you. If your wife falls and hits her head, it could be a fatal injury. Your wife should be living in an assisted living facility with managed care. Make a plan for your wife and your care. Last year was the last time my parents lived in their house. It happens fast, but save your wife and yourself from getting badly hurt.
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cover9339 Jan 10, 2025
Some hospitals may be getting wise to this.

One time when I was at one, a man was there who had ALZs. The person taking care of him kept coming up with excuses not to pick him up. The hospital arranged for a ride and he was discharged.
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I absolutely love all of your willingness to share your experiences with me, so here is the latest that is going on. I went to my primary doctor which is the same for both of us, this was a yearly checkup and med checkup for me. I turned the appointment around and discussed my wife asking about hospice, her response kind of surprised, me she said because her lungs were so bad she would not be surprised to here that she has passed within 6 months. She then said she would talk to the head person running hospice. OK now another twist what came back was a phone call to my wife from the doc saying the hospice route would not be taken what is recommended is palatine care, so now I am waiting for someone to call. Does this sound right?
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MargaretMcKen Jan 9, 2025
It's 'palliative care'. Click on resources at the top of the screen, then p for palliative, and you can find articles and old posts about what's involved,
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@JanPeck123, do you know if on Hospice the person would continue to see their primary doctor? I recall my cousin did, but that was years ago.

And, what if when Hospice aids came, the person resists help with bathing, grooming, etc. Even if my dad did qualify for Hospice, he’d likely resist care from anyone who comes into the home. We have home health aid coming now who he refuses to allow to help him.
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JanPeck123 Jan 9, 2025
My husband's primary care doctor is with the Veteran's Administration. He is able to keep this doctor. He does virtual appointments.
When he went on Hospice, home health had to stop.
You don't have to have the aid if your Dad will not accept the help. He can just get the nursing services. There is also chaplain services and I believe Respite services for you.
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Dr Google tells me that “most arachnoiditis cases stem from punctures during lumbar spine surgeries, even though this is a rare complication”. As your wife has had “6 back surgeries”, this may well be the cause. Perhaps it would help both of you to accept that this is not curable, and focus on coping – with better pain killers, and even hospice (which can facilitate better pain killers). Not everything is curable, and grieving is going to come sooner-or-later.
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ElizabethAR37 Jan 9, 2025
As someone with ongoing back problems (although still entirely mobile, albeit more slowly), I agree. Serious pain is NOT a great way to live/exist, regardless of cause. I'm 88 which cannot be "cured". When I approach my Final Exit, I hope that palliative care and/or hospice are very much on board! That request is included in my final letter, and what I do/do not want done is in my healthcare advance directive.
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Fasdog: Please don't worry about venting or asking for suggestions and support. The forum is for sharing concerns, getting ideas/suggestions from others, and hopefully for hearing back from you on how things turn out.

There are alarm pads that hospitals use that go off when the person gets up off the pad. Maybe you could purchase that from Amazon. Or from a medical supply store.
Could you possibly move her recliner into the bedroom so you can more easily hear when she gets up?

Let us know.
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So sorry, Fasdog, it does sound discouraging. Do you have a friend or family member or anyone who can help you just to talk to and support you? This may be a situation without a lasting solution, but you can still do your best for her and it sounds like you really are. But is anyone there to acknowledge this and help you sort through the decisions?

Could you rig her lounge chair (or bed) up with an alarm similar to what they have in hospitals so that if she gets up the alarm goes off to warn you? Though it might cause a lot of false alarms, disrupting both your sleep, and you might not get to her in time anyway. Or I think there are alarm mats you could put beside the bed so as soon as her feet hit the ground it goes off? That might have the same issues though.

Bedside commodes would be offered by hospice, but she may not remember /understand to use it (my father didn’t).

Could you get some kind of aging advisor review of your home? Or hospice review would be good. The only other thing I can think of is hiring an overnight aide to sit by her. But even that didn’t 100% prevent falls when my dad was near the end. My dad’s last 3-4 days were spent in a hospice facility for the very reason that he kept falling at home no matter what we did. In the facility, they put him on an air mattress on the floor with big bolsters on either side and they were alarmed. So the only way he could get out of bed was crawling (less likely to hurt himself) and even then, the alarm went off when he tried.

I am so sorry.
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Igloocar Jan 9, 2025
Suzy23, an occupational therapist, is the ideal person to review the home safety situation. Her doctor should be able to prescribe this so the service is covered by Medicare (if his wife is under Medicare).
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If your wife is on that many meds, it may be time for a review of her medications. Many meds for pain and for anxiety/depression (I don't know if she has these conditions) or the combinations of these meds may make it more likely that falls will occur. Not taking medications sometimes has worse effects than falls, of course, so a choice has to be made as to the lesser of the evils. I would add, parenthetically, as a chronic pain patient myself, age 80, I found my overall well-being increased when we figured out ways to reduce the number of meds I took.

You mentioned that you needed information on hospice. What kind of information would be useful i addition to that already presented? I am not expert in this area, so another reader may answer your questions better than I could!
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Maybe a rollator is not good for her. Not everyone should use them. A regular walker will not get away from her. You can use tennis balls for hard floors and there are "skis" to get across carpet. Both used on the back legs.
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Igloocar Jan 16, 2025
JoAnn, I apologize. You had already posted this suggestion, but I hadn't read all the way through (usually I do), and I posted the same suggestion,
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I’m sorry for both of your hurt and pain in this. Your wife is in the time of more problems with fewer helps, much less solutions. Either because of sleepiness or dementia, she can’t be expected to remember to get help upon getting up. The falls are sadly inevitable. A prominent spinal specialist told me the worst thing for people with back issues is a recliner, though many use them and believe they are comfortable. The doctor said recliners put the spine in an unnatural position, ultimately worsening the issues and causing increased pain, something to consider. You need more help than just you, consider hiring a helper so you can get adequate rest and breaks. Hospice can also be a help, they are not much hands on help, outside of a bath aide twice a week, and a nurse when needed, but they’re great for supplies and expert advice. They also have helpful meds. I wish you both peace and rest
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MiaMoor Jan 7, 2025
I'm not at all surprised at what you say about recliners.
Mum constantly complained of back pain when in her recliner, and she became so bowed sitting there day in, day out. Then, on her first hospital visit last year, I was surprised at how long she sat in the big, straight backed hospital chair, without a murmur of complaint. It had a special cushion to prevent sores; otherwise it was just like the chairs you find in any elder care lounge. It was the same on each subsequent hospital stay, until she became too weak to get out of bed.

When Mum was placed on palliative care (similar to hospice in the US, I think) it was such a relief to everyone, including Mum, when the morphine dose got to the right level to properly ease her pain.

I wish the OP and his wife release from this pain and for their hearts to be at peace.
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Hospice is for people who have a life expectancy of six months or less. If your wife doesn’t qualify, she certainly would be a candidate for palliative care where the focus is on symptom management, including pain. She would have a practitioner(probably an NP) come to the home at least monthly and help manage her pain, etc. They can prescribe and help coordinate with other doctors if needed.

You do not need a doctor’s order to have a hospice evaluation done, and they will determine if she is eligible(research local hospices first). I think you might need an order for a palliative evaluation but if you had hospice come first, they would help you with that as their agency might be the one to provide both services. Hope that makes sense.

It’s a very difficult position to be in, but I found palliative care invaluable in supporting my husband and I during his last five or six months.
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DILKimba Jan 10, 2025
Actually that is not true anymore. Some people are on hospice for years. The big thing is the medical diagnosis, and not moving toward healing perse but palliative care.
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My wife wants me to ask our primary care doctor about Hospice, I no nothing about this can you all enlighten me before my yearly checkup
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JanPeck123 Jan 7, 2025
When Hospice was recommended for my Husband, who is bedbound with Parkinson's Disease, I thought it was a service just for those "in God's waiting room" so to speak. I was informed that Hospice is not solely for those dying within a couple of months, and that a person can be on Hospice longer than 6 months.
You can call your local Hospice agency in your community and ask them to send out a person to do a free intake assessment at your home. If your wife qualifies for Hospice, they will contact her doctor and get an order. A nurse will come out at least once weekly to take vitals and address any concerns. An aid can come out 2 or 3 times weekly to give her a bath, hair wash and diaper change. If your wife has health issues after hours, an on call nurse is available to come out and address them. A Hospice doctor works with the nurse to order comfort care meds to address pain, etc.
It's been an absolutely wonderful service for my husband.
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Go ahead. Vent. This is the place for it.
Clearly wife cannot remember, or thinks she is safe without you. And whoops, wrong again.
If you are close to her in age you know enough to know this is more a brain-balance thing than anything else.
Sadly, falls are catastrophic inevitably and sometimes the beginning of the end. At 82, now with the balance of a feather in the strong winds I know that one of these times when I cannot catch myself on tripping on the cracked sidewalks, it will be the hip going. It's knowing it but also knowing there's little to be done about it, that that's where you're at. You cannot be attached to her at the hip. You can only hope that, like me, she continues to bounce with only a few bruises--(and for me a click in the left shoulder.)
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Well she does have a very small amount of dementia, during her cancer treatments it was suggested that they radiate the brain because that type has a history of going up there. She has been in remission for 6 yrs now. History, well she has had 6 back surgeries 3 upper 3 lower, she has what has been diagnosed as arachnoiditis so she is in constant pain. She does wear disposable pull ups, I also have the disposable washable pad I put under her. She has buttons, a watch, and grab handles, I try to be very safety minded. I have been her caregiver for 5 yrs now, I guess my issue is she just feels so terrible it is difficult for me to stay positive.
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Pain to the touch sounds like nerve pain to me. There are common drugs just for nerve pain. My wife has taken 300mg twice daily of Gabapentin for years for nerve pain. Ask your primary care physician about it.
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Fasdog Jan 4, 2025
She cannot take Gabi, however she has a cocktail of about 10 meds in the morning and another 10 at night
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You do not indicate your wife's condition so I am going to presume that she has dementia.
She probably does not "remember" about the button that she needs to push to get your help.
There are alarms that you can get that if she steps on it it will alert you that she is getting up.
There are some that you could place on her chair but they may go off if she changes position.
There is the possibility that she could begin using disposable pull up incontinent underwear so that she does not have to get up to go to the bathroom. Even with incontinent underwear I would still use a disposable or washable absorbent pad on the furniture.

Vent all you like.. there are plenty of reasons to do so.
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MiaMoor Jan 7, 2025
Grandma1954,

Even with dementia and severe COPD, my mum still wouldn't allow herself to deliberately wet the incontinence pull ups or pads. Right up until her last days, until she was no longer drinking enough to need the commode, Mum would insist on getting out of bed, supported by two carers, or me and my daughter. She became too agitated otherwise.

I had no idea that Mum would cling onto that last piece of dignity, when she was so ill and barely present. But she did and we helped her to do so, even though she was so very weak.

However, that was a different situation: Mum was actively dying and preserving her life or health wasn't an option, let alone a desirable goal. I'm not sure how we could have reasoned with her if the situation had been otherwise.
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