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I am the fiduciary for my father. I do nearly everything and have for the past five years. The last thing I received from my parents was $500 when I finished graduate school (which I paid for myself) 30 years ago. My sibling is an entirely different story. My parents have paid for schooling for them, their children, vacations, entertainment, etc. My sibling is the greediest person I've ever met and their motto seems to be, "why pay for something myself when I can get someone else to pay for it?" even though they have plenty of money to live a nice life. For example, they have retired 10 years early and are planning a vacation in excess of six figures.



Once again, they are demanding that I share my father's financial situation and essentially audit my oversight of his finances. I am not inclined to subject myself to this scrutiny and can only see the motivation as greed in anticipation of future payout. I am sick to death of this person and the stress and anxiety they cause for me. I'm inclined to say, "pound sand." I'm insulted. I fear I may have to cut them out of my life.



I anticipate my father will have enough to cover his care, but I am not God. He is 89. What shall I say to my sibling? I want to draw a clear line and have this nonsense STOP. I have had an attorney involved in drawing up a trust. I am happy to have the attorney see all of my work. But I am not going to bow to my sibling's demands and want to make that clear.

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Just the opposite situation about my family contact!
I have a half-brother who is younger than me who lives back East and is a surgeon doctor, and his wife does not allow contact with any of us 6 half-siblings, no exceptions. I just wanted to know how he is doing in Alabama after severe toronados, never to look for money from my Late Dad's or Step-Mom's estate or other financial inheritance that his wife appears to say, according to one of my siblings, who himself plus spouse was cut off from all contact 9 years ago after my father passed away.

Unfortunately, my disentagrated family functions date back over 60 years ago. So sad and confusing. I am seeking professional counsel after learning that no information was shared with any of us step-children after my step-mother passed away nearly three years ago. Her Name was engraved under my father's name of his grave's headstone where I often visit him near my home out of respect since he divorced my mother in 1956. Love is unconditional, but some people just don't get it. Money is only a label and not love by itself. Place value where the money is!
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Just sweetly say, "Oh, beans burning, have to go, love you, bye" or "My door bell is ringing have to go, love you". I had to get nasty, hopefully, you don't.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
Unfortunately, I have had to be very clear and firm. And as you can imagine, it went over like a ton of bricks. At this point, I’m not sure I will ever speak to them again. While it is sad, as I think about it, they have brought nothing but grief and stress to my life, so maybe it’s for the best.
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Ugh....I know several relatives that are like this. They are all under the age of 40. I liken that attitude of "do x and beg for forgiveness later" and "it doesn't hurt to ask". Unfortunately, corporate America actually encourages that behavior and rewards successful outcomes from that behavior.

But I digress.

I suggest that you get siblings and spouses and anyone over 18, and anyone your Dad gave "gifts" to, in a room and tell them that your father can no longer give them financial gifts since he needs the money to live the rest of his life. Answer questions that they have and repeat that line of "One of my responsibilities as fiduciary is to maintain confidentiality. Best to contact dad's attorney. He can help alleviate your concerns.” No need to share financials. Don't do it one-on-one, do it as a group so that they don't think they are being told something different than the others.

Are you still going to give them birthday money and/or Christmas and/or special occasion money (if he did that)? My opinion is that you continue it, however, in an amount that is more friendly to the budget.

Are there any outstanding loans to these people? If so, you need to figure out whether they will need to pay your Dad back or release them from the debt.

Did your Dad promise anyone money if they hit a milestone? Decide how you are going to deal with it and state it up front.

Does he have any 529 money earmarked for someone? You will need to decide what to do with that. I understand that there were some changes in the law regarding 529 plans effective Jan 1, 2023 that might help out your Dad.

Also come up with a standard answer that you are going to use whenever they ask for money. It can be as simple as "Dad needs all his money for his care" and "One of my responsibilities as fiduciary is to maintain confidentiality.” After you say it about 10-15 times, it will be easier for you to say.

My Mom keeps on wanting to give her money away because she thinks she has more than enough money to live out her life. My standard answer to her and anyone who asks is "she has just enough money to live on, right now". If they ask for more detail, I just repeat "she has just enough money to live on, right now".

Good luck to you.

P.S. I sure hope my Mom doesn't outlive her money....
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
I took over dad’s finances about four or five years ago. All the gifts and nonsense stopped then. And it was a hard stop. There was a LOT of stress when I cleared the house to sell, but that’s another story. They are not asking for money, as they know better than to ask me for it. I would see it if dad gave them any money which he is not inclined to do. I think prior gifts, which I saw as I untangled dad’s finances, were really my mom’s doing but I have no way of knowing. She has passed.
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PoofyGoof: Do not give sibling access to your father's financials.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
Trust me. That will never happen.
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Tell him dad is no longer in a position to give away money. If his happens to run out and he ends up needing state to assist with paying for a NH bed, all money or property would be considered a gift and penalize dad...meaning the total given away is divided by a certain number ($5430 per month in Texas). The result is number of months Medicaid will NOT pay for the bed and you/brother would have to if there was no way for dad to wait the period out at home.

There's no harm in giving sibling a rough balance about 2x a year. It won't change the amount you spend on dad from his own money for his medical and personal needs. You should already be keeping records of large expenses in the event you had to apply for Medicaid (in TExas they look back 5 years). Just send him a balance before he asks for it and prevent the prickle effect he has on you.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
That would be the civil thing to do, but I am afraid I am past that point. You might be right. I might be digging my heels into the ground as much as my sibling, but I am just so tired of dealing with them. My inclination is just to continue to send them to dad’s attorney, or, they are free to get their own attorney, but they are way too cheap to ever do that. Highly skilled at spending other people’s money, incredibly stingy with their own.
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I know you say your sibling is greedy but what if they want to see the amount of money your father has just to know what is going on?
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AlvaDeer Jan 2023
They have no RIGHT to this information. That's the truth. It isn't their business nor concern, unless they believe the current POA or Guardian is acting illegally to abuse the elder by embezzling their funds; then they have a right to see an attorney and file to see records. They better have some proof.
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Block their calls and forward any e-mails or snail mail to your attorney to address or ignore.


A lesson my best friend taught me about getting everything for free, "Be the squeaky wheel." My mother taught me to never ask for anything and so, I never got anything....................my girlfriend was gifted amazing things and took everything for granted: then she married a poor guy.
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Patathome01 Jan 2023
Wonderful idea to forward to attorney!
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Politely decline to discuss it, at all.
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Some people, you never will be able to understand or appease. Just CYA and keep on keeping on. =)
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You are your father's fiduciary and handling the money needed to care for him. Your sibling is probably just trying to find ways to claim some of your father's money for him or herself. Minimize contact and response to your sibling. Continue to meet your father's needs, work with an attorney or trust advisor as you see fit. Your sibling in not involved.
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Updates— Thank you all for your thoughtful replies. I really appreciate it! As information, I can say with confidence that there is no way this person would ever pitch in financially for my father’s care. Way too self-absorbed for that. In the past I did share generalities, but not any longer. I was supposed to meet with X and provide all the documentation they demanded (and demanded is the right word), but I made an excuse and cancelled. Cue the rage… Interestingly enough, their focus was only on gaining access to his investment accounts, not his AL invoices or Rx bills. Demanded user ID/PW.

This person has been entitled and self-absorbed their entire life. I am not inclined to subject myself to their audit, nor do I feel obligated to gather/copy records for them. My bookkeeping is pretty methodical— I haven’t kept every receipt, but I do have a spreadsheet that ticks and ties to the penny. All of dad’s finances are separate. I do not pay myself, save for an occasional tank of gas (verbal agreement with dad). Dad is about 4 hours round trip drive away.

In the interest of being somewhat civil, I did say — “One of my responsibilities as fiduciary is to maintain confidentiality. Best to contact dad's attorney. He can help alleviate your concerns.” Cue intensified rage, to which I replied, “My records are very transparent... and legal. Blocking you until you've had a chance to calm down.” Unfortunately, this may have to be permanent. Sad, but this person is taking up way too much headspace and is starting to affect my physical health. If they weren’t a sibling, we would never be friends. I really don’t care for them and haven’t for a very long time.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jan 2023
You haven’t done anything wrong, so you don’t owe any explanation to your sibling. You are the person in control of finances. Your sibling has no other choice but to accept this.

Do your best to put this behind you. You mentioned that it is starting to affect your health. Please don’t allow your sibling to rob you of your health. They aren’t worth that.

Best wishes to you.
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My sibling is not involved in my father’s personal care. He lives very close, I live very far away. I manage it from a distance. He just won’t do it. He can’t handle it. My father is difficult, I get it, but I can’t accept that as an excuse anymore. Unless there is an “emergency” he says. Otherwise he is mostly hands off. I have POA and am handling the finances. He has asked me a few times about money and I just say, “when you chose to be more involved in dad’s day to day care to take some of the stress of of me and do what’s right by him I will keep you informed of the money situation. You don’t get to chose which part of his care you get to participate in. It’s all or nothing.”

And yes, I pay myself when I need to. Such as when I have to travel to see him and spend a few weeks with him and therefore can’t work. If my brother has an issue with that, he can pound sand.
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When my partner's adult children asked me, his POA, for info on finances I sent an email with details about his current status with dementia, the behaviors and decline that I see everyday. Toward the end of that message I wrote, "Oh, on rereading your request I see you really wanted to know about the money. But I am sure that your primary question is about your dad's health and well-being. So I will send this anyway." I wrote a very short paragraph on the finances...."he has enough unless he lives forever". Keep records. Respond in writing. Tell sibling about the health status. Good luck to you.
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bundleofjoy Jan 2023
grrrrreat reply to his children.
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Unless there is some entitlement just say you don’t know and keep everything private.
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You are handling your father's affairs that's legal confidential and none of your sibling's business. Ignore what your sibling says and cut him off. Money is just a label, not love.
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KPWCSC: "I feel it would be respectful to at least have a general accounting discussion so they will know if your father has enough to carry him through. When we went through this with my father and father-in-law we often wondered if we would need to step up to help. "

You bring up a very good point! My brothers and I knew that our mother had LTC insurance and a quite sizable trust.

No one really knows about my mil. She complains about paying bills and taxes on two properties. Supposedly she has willed one property to her one unmarried daughter. She has a life estate on the other one, with the five sibs owning it with right of survivorship (a future nightmare).

She made one D executrix of her estate, with the other being backup. They refuse to look at any paperwork, because it upsets them to think their mother might die someday (she will be 90 this summer).

She has stated she will be carried out of her house, which must mean no facility for her. She lives by herself in an old house with not-to-code-anymore too steep staircase (cluttered with stuff), and only a half-bath downstairs. She has mobility issues.

She spent plenty of an unexpected inheritance on worldwide travel. I will kick up a huge fuss if H is asked to give her money for in-home help or anything like that.
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Here's what I told my sister, "I'm not allowed to discuss anyone else's finances, but if you want to ask them directly you can." One other time I had to tell her that if I was doing her finances I wouldn't discuss with anyone either, then repeated the above statement about her asking them directly. We both knew that they couldn't give her a complete picture, but at least this way she was clear that I would be respecting their privacy.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
I certainly don’t put it past this person to badger dad directly, but that would be very sad and stressful for him.
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Good Morning,

Join the Club honey! These things go on in all families. I don't care what nationality you are. I agree with others--all you have to do is keep good records.

For example, I have shared this before on the forum and it's simple.

Notebook, envelopes, all of from the Dollar Store. Keep your money separate apart from your loved one--and never the two shall meet.

Whatever you buy with Dad's money, you get a receipt put it an envelope marked "January 2023" debit and checking account entries. Basically, you want a paper trail even if you use a debit card for coffee/donut or if you take cash out of the ATM get a receipt or document what the cash was used for.

Every morning you go online and "daily" takes 2-3 minutes you check off which checks entries have cleared in the notebook. The teeny-tiny (is that a word?) checkbook ledger the banks give out, don't use. Use a bright colorful notebook, keep in the desk, same place, so at anytime both dad and siblings can look at it.

If there is an error of any sought your daily morning routine will catch it. Do not put any debit cards online for purchases, only credit cards because there is so many identify theft.

Each month the credit card is paid off in full with no balance (if you are able to do that).

I know it's a slap in the face when you are questioned about finances. My family is not the Loreal Foundation where there is a stash of cash lying around after Mom passes. We are average people, God-fearing parents, Mom was home full-time, dad a wonderful provider. The $$$ went for 4 kids--college, braces, weddings, they bought Ethan Allen furniture "once" and held onto it.

Bottom line--when Mom passes it's not like I'm going to clean up financially. The Assisted Livings are real estate and we are not in that financial circle.

If they were in the trenches rolling up their sleeves, helping you out you wouldn't mind but Lincoln freed the slaves.
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Just keep good financial records for future use.
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If you are taking care of your father in any way shape or form please compensate yourself for it. Rich people (not all but a lot of them) can be very greedy. For many it's like a disease and they never have enough. Your brother is infected with the disease of greed and selfishness. Retired and taking a six figure vacation. What an idiot. It's no wonder he's concerned about how much money dad has left.
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If my parents had gifted a sibling lots of money but not me, I'd refuse to do any caregiving for them (or be their POA).
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michelle7728 Jan 2023
Welllll, I was in that situation....kind of. In going through all the paperwork, I found that my step mother sent my half-brother and half-sister thousands in support through the years, and me just a card here and there...even had life insurance accounts for the two of them (though she let all but one cheap one lapse). I suspect my dad had no idea about any of this, as she did the finances.

I always thought she didn't like me much, and I outright asked her once, but she denied it. After she passed, I asked a close friend of hers, and she told me my step-mother was always jealous of me, as I was so independent and made my own way (true).

My half-sister, though she received money from her mom is not the entitled type. She legitimately was going through tough times for a while. She is a hard working, responsible mom, and surprisingly well adjusted considering what she was put through with my half brother growing up....my half-brother is another matter...he's a piece of work...stole from, threatened to kill both of his parents, abused his entire family (parents and sibling [I am ~10 years older, so never lived with them]) and even beat my dad up when he was only an early teen (he was a big kid)...I only found out about all of the abuse at home during this last year. My dad (the last to pass) wrote his son out of his will, siting the above.

I've done the lion's share of cleaning up his local (3+ hours from me) properties, but my half-sister (who lives much further away, in another state) has really pitched in where she could as well with phone calls, talking to doctors, making arrangements, even driving with her daughter to a neighboring state for a week to clean up their snow bird properties (working with her mom's friend, who was local there). Both my step-mother and my dad were hoarders, big time.

My dad put me and my half-sister on all his accounts as beneficiaries and we will be splitting everything equally, but for expenses (which include my time when I am on site cleaning, gas to/from and costs for taking on their elderly dog's care). I share ocassional financial info with my half-sister, who has repeatedly stated that she trusts me implicitly. I feel only slightly guilty about my half-brother, but he's made his own bed so it's time for him to lie in it. He knows our dad passed (only because he learned second hand from a different relative), but my half-sister and I are strictly hands off with him, as he has that history of violence (and has a couple of felony charges for wife abuse and stalking). After all of the properties are settled I'll likely have an attorney send him a copy of the will and maybe a memento or two, but nothing until then....and no money, per my dad's wishes.

Neither my sister nor I were expecting anything financial from my dad....we both were planning on using all of his money for his care....he just unfortunately went down hill faster than we thought he would. I was hoping he would last 2 or 3 more years, but it was not to be.

I was the primary POA and she was the secondary. We were so lucky to have each other for support through all of this. It was still crazy, stressful, and sometimes we wanted to walk away (but didn't!) when he got so stubborn, but thank God we had each other for support.

Sad that my half-brother turned out the way he did...he lived a lot closer to our dad and could have been a great help, but due to his lifelong history of abuse, we didn't even consider asking him for anything.

I have my own mom yet to deal with, and as an only child of an always narcissistic mother, that's a whole 'nother topic. LOL
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I don't know if they are "entitled" to it, but I feel it would be respectful to at least have a general accounting discussion so they will know if your father has enough to carry him through. When we went through this with my father and father-in-law we often wondered if we would need to step up to help. My sister often shared a general picture for my father. We never had a clue about my father-in-law so when he gave us financial gifts we never knew if he could afford them and often would not use the gifts in case we needed them for his care later. Fortunately we did not have to help either of them but it did concern us. We did need to help with my father's funeral. I would not feel obligated to give an audit of everything. A simple discussion of where he stands would be appropriate even without showing bank records. For me, total refusal to have a discussion could be taken as having something to hide... this could totally blow out of proportion when he dies and result in having to account to the penny later. The bottom line is what does your father want... if he expects you to keep his financial issues totally private and is still capable, have the attorney draw up a statement to that fact with his signature for your protection later.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
See above. I cannot imagine any set of circumstances under which this person would be willing to contribute to dad’s care. They would say, “We can’t afford that!” and in the very next breath mention they will be away for weeks vacationing abroad.
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Spend it all on him, if he has too much to spend try harder. Massages, therapies, musical performances in his home or care center. Chef to prepare his meals and Brad Pitt to feed him. Send copies of the receipts to your sibling. If it’s your dads money spend it on him. Leave nothing in the table.
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sp19690 Jan 2023
That would be fun but OP should also be compensated for taking care of dad (if they are). That includes handling his money not just wiping his behind.
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I can’t imagine how stressful this must be for you. I admire you for trying to be civil but I am sure that it is becoming difficult.

Do you have to be involved with your sibling? If you don’t, then I think that I would focus my attention on your dad.

You don’t owe any explanation to your sibling.

Best wishes to you and your father.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
I think this is exactly what I’m going to do.
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You are under no legal obligation to share information.
As a matter of fact to share information might be a violation of your fiduciary duties.
They can consult an attorney on this matter but I think if you have cleared it with the attorney that is working on the Trust for your dad that is all that needs to be done.
Make it very clear, through your attorney that if they consult an attorney, if this goes to court the will pay ALL court costs plus fees that your attorney charges you.
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Simply ignore phone calls, texts, email about this subject. (simplest and less expensive option in my opinion.)
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
Thank you! I did consult with his attorney who advised against sharing. He agreed to be “the bad guy” and so I referred sibling to him. Caused intense rage and accusations. I know I am doing the right thing, but it is still very unpleasant. I’m leaning toward cutting them out of my life entirely. It would be nice if we could collaborate, but it’s not working for me.
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You say you are his "Fiduciary". Yes, that would be the adjective, but what is the Noun. Are you the POA or the Guardian? Whichever is the case it is up to you, if your parent is no longer capable to account for every single penny in and every single penny out of the accounts and assets owned by said parent. That is your "fiduciary duty" under the law. You must present these records upon demand to the courts of our nation.
HOWEVER you do not need, and indeed in most case SHOULD NOT present them to anyone else including siblings. You are to keep your parent's financial business private as that parent would have the right to keep his or her own business dealings and finances private were he or she capable.
Please see an elder law attorney or a trust and estate attorney so that you fully understand the rules and regulations, the rights and the duties of being whatever sort of Fiduciary the parent assigned you to be when he or she was well, or whatever sort of fiduciary the courts assigned you when the parent became unable to act for him or herself.
If any sibling or anyone ELSE wants to know ANYTHING, has a suspicion you are not legally doing your duty for the parents, he or she is able to hire an attorney and bring a suit for breach of fiduciary duty before that court. At that time you will present all of your records.
Until then, as Handel on the Law would say, tell them to go "pound sand".
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
I am POA, trustee, and eventually executor. I am not guardian. While my father is not interested in, nor capable of, handling his finances any longer, I have not wanted to go through having him tested to become his guardian. Maybe I was wrong, but I really don’t want to put him through that. My father and I are aligned. I used to go through the numbers with him every month, but he’s really not interested in that any longer. I believe he trusts me. I believe I am trustworthy.
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Don't fear cutting this person out of your life - look forward to it with joyful glee. Refuse to deal with them. You don't need to announce it, you don't have to confide in others, you don't have to do anything for them. Just act as if they don't exist. It works!
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
I really like this! Thank you!!!
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Why do you feel as though you have any obligation to say anything at all?

While my LO was living I attempted to maintain a peaceful relationship with “the other” because I feared repercussions against my LO.

if you have legal backing, “pound sand” sounds fine.

In my family, it’s “pound salt”.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2023
You are right, I have no obligation to say anything at all. For some reason, I feel an obligation to be transparent and saying nothing or ignoring their demands, which is what they are, feels passive aggressive. I’d like to continue to be civil, but I’m at the end of my rope. This person has always been a thorn in my side. I have never understood them. I am tired of trying to appease them. I only do it to alleviate stress on my father. But it’s just too much.
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