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How old is your dad? Has he decided that he's lived long enough and wants to die this way? If that IS the case, then I don't know whether you can or should get in his face about it. But without knowing anymore facts, that's all I can comment on. Sorry about your dad though. My mom died last year of cancer, so I know what you're looking at. Stupid cancer.
He is 71 years old. His younger brother (my uncle) pass away with colon cancer when he was 49 years old. He thinks he is luckly to live 21 years longer than his brother. He does not want to have a surgery and chemotherapy. It only give him extra three or five years. He does not want to go thru the pain. As a daughter... I feel bad to see my dad gives up his life without fight for it.
MMS has been proven to cure cancer, even colon cancer. This could at least prolong his life and it is not a drug. At least try and investigate this. It is NOT harmful to you. You can see results almost right away. My mother had breast cancer, and I wish to God that I knew about this 10 years ago. I would still have her now. I use MMS myself.
My heart goes out to you. I experienced the same thing with my father who did not want to be poked or prodded any more. He didn't have cancer, but had numerous other health issues and just decided he was done. Failure to thrive, is a difficult thing to come to grips with when you are having to watch a loved one make that decision. I had a huge agrument with him a few months before as my anger, frustration, fear and grief came boiling over. We didn't talk for three weeks as I felt he was being stubborn and selfish and felt he just was 'giving up" on ME/US. I had to come to understand that he was fully in charge of his own life, much as what he taught me throughout my entire life, and responsible and accountable for making that decision on his own. I am so glad I had that epiphany and it helped me to get past what was my own grief and fear and support him, love him and be with him through it all. It was difficult, heart wrenching and so sad, but it was also a moment in my life when I felt that as a daughter it was the greatest gift I could give him. He passed with his grandchildren surrounding him and the love at that moment was tangible. Sometimes, dying with dignity and on your own terms is a choice to be made that is both individual and cannot/should not be dictated. Contact your local hospice agency. They have alot of reading materials that will help you understand the process and what to expect. It helped me greatly to be prepared and accept the inevitable. I wish you peace and comfort through your journey together.
I concur... respect his wishes. Aside... did you know that statistically that people who chose no care for cancer live longer and better quality of life than those who do? I know a woman who was given 6 mos to live if she did nothing. That was her choice and she lived an additional 6 yrs. She got on with the business of living and did not give the disease her power. But again the real point is that it is his life and he has a right to chose for himself. Please do not take this personal. It is not about you.
MMS stands for miracle mineral supplement. Google Bishop Jim Humble, MMS, CDS, or miracle mineral supplement. This man does NOT make a PENNY on his discovery. He does NOT sell it! He trains others to administer it to thousands to cure malaria in 3rd world countries. There are tons of links (of which is not allowed to post here evidently, as I originally added a link for you here in my first post). Don't always rely on a doctor's point of view. They are educated, trained and paid by pharmaceutical companies to push their drugs and therapies. They want you to use chemo and radiation long enough to barely keep you alive so they can make money off your suffering. The reason they don't want MMS information out is because the FDA (which owns and also governs the pharma companies!) cannot put a patent on it. It is basically a salt and totally not harmful to your cells. It only gets rid of the pathogens in your body. Just read anything you can google up on it! You won't be sorry. Just educated!
MMS is promoted as a cure for HIV, malaria, hepatitis viruses, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, acne, cancer, and more. There is no clinical evidence for any of these claims, which come only from anecdotal reports and Humble's book.[3][4] In January 2010, The Sydney Morning Herald reported that one vendor admitted that they do not repeat any of Humble's claims in writing to circumvent regulations against using it as a medicine.[5] Sellers sometimes describe MMS as a water purifier so as to circumvent medical regulations.[6]
When citric acid or other food acid is used to "activate" MMS as described in its instructions,[7] the mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent oxidizing agent used in water treatment and in bleaching.[8] The director of the New South Wales Poisons Information Centre has stated that using the product is "a bit like drinking concentrated bleach" and that users have displayed symptoms consistent with corrosive injuries, such as vomiting, stomach pains, and diarrhea.[9] Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[10][11] that can cause fatal kidney failure.[12] Taken from Wikipedia............................
I do not see the wisdom of advocating something that might harm a person or keep them from receiving appropriate treatment for their disease. Thorough research should be done before touting a "cure" that is nothing more than a scam.
If you father has alzheimer's and is not thinking rationally then maybe you could let him have the surgery; sometimes they can remove the cancer entirely. Personally, I am on 63, I will never do chemotherapy. It makes people so sick. But, i would let a surgeo cut out a tumor, a cancer etc. Don't make the poor man go through chemo. A friends wife just went through it (as others have done and it can be horrific) and she was vomiting so much they had to take her to the ER. She died anyway a short time later of pancreatic cancer. I say have the colon surgery because colon cancer is so curable. If he is in his right mind then i suspect you should respect his wishes.
Jim Humble is "bishop" in a church where, he explains, "We do not dictate that anyone believe any particular thing." Laughing my butt off. If his science makes as much sense as his theology, then any kind of mineral water should cure you.
You can get a membership card for his church for $10. And this is from his newsletter: "If you wish, you will receive a pastor’s certificate and you will have the legal right to use Reverend in front of your name. It will be legal for you to not pay income tax. You can also receive a certificate to start a chapter of our church right there in your area. You can hand out tracts telling about MMS and our healing and you will no doubt have people come to you for healing. It will be best not to charge for your service, instead ask for donations after they get well, and that usually takes only a few days. Most people will want to donate something when they get well. You will make more money that way than selling the bottles of MMS."
I have to admit i would like to not pay taxes; where do I sign up. I would also like Reverand in front of my name. No MMS or whatever the stuff is for me or mom. LOL
I too have read what Brody C said about no treatment. My dad is 80 and has bladder cancer. The tests and procedures are getting harder on him and every once in a while he'll mention, "I wonder what would happen if I just didn't do anything?" The last procedure just about killed him. If he would choose to forego any more treatment, I would support him, although it would be hard. I agree about letting your dad die with dignity. If he has all of the facts and makes his decision, you need to respect it.
Dolly: Please be supportive of your dad's wishes. If he is at peace with them, then you should be also. If he went through the treatments, he might gain another 3 to 5 years. This tells me that his cancer is more advanced and not curable.
My sister-in-law was diagnosed with colon cancer a couple of years ago. Her prognosis was good, but the location of the tumor, close to the rectum, complected surgery and she has had to have additional surgeries to correct problems that are surgery related and not cancer related. She is just 60 years old now and has a lot to live for, but the course of her treatment has not been easy at all.
Your dad may be remembering what his brother went through many years ago. It could be that current methods to deal with his cancer are much improved today. Still I look at my beloved sil and would just mention that situations can be ongoing and very difficult even with a good prognosis.
Your dad is saying that he would not prefer to fight and undergo more surgeries and chemo just to get maybe another 3 to 5 years. If all those years are going to be taken up with treatment, surgery and complications, I can understand his point of view.
Ultimately, it is his decision. Choices of this nature are very personal. Even if it breaks our hearts, there is so much you can do to honor your dad wishes and be by his side. He will be so grateful to you for supporting him during this time.
Please be sure that you get regular checkups and consistent colonoscopies (sp) over the years ahead. You have a history in your family and you need to be mindful of it.
Sending you love, comfort and compassion, Cattails
Suzmarie, After completing a round of BCG he underwent a cystoscopy to see if the BCG was effective. He developed sepsis which led to a multitude of problems, and a week in the ICU. I do believe that his immune system is not as strong due to his age, plus he seems less able to recover from the anesthesia.
thanks people pleaser, was just curious. There has been alot of sepsis going around with elders that I personally know. I know it is a serious infection!!! I hope I wasn't prying too much but my mom is 84 and wanted the info in case she were to need surgery ...now i have things to consider. I wish you and your father well.
After this last crisis, Dad said "No more." But now that he's feeling better, he's changed his mind. We did talk about: 1) doing a spinal instead of general anesthesia and 2) doing the procedure at the hospital instead of surgery center and keeping him overnight. I just feel if the elderly are choosing treatment, they need more time to recover and closer observation.
PP: As long as your dad is talking and open to suggestions, all you can do is be supportive. Absolutely, talk about the options and find what is safest. Be sure you talk to the surgeon and be clear that the hospital will give him special care do to his age and recovery needs. Cattails
My dad is living with me. It is hard for me to see his life goes down hill. Now, he is look normal. He works out every day and no bleeding and pain at all. That why he refuses for any treatment. Only thing I can do right now is changing his diet. I give him some herb juice and a lot of green veg. My emotion going up and down every day and I have trouble to sleep.
Dolly~my heart goes out to you as you face this situation. Enjoy the time you have with your father now as he has made his decision. Going through treatment, surgeries, and recouping for the next 3-5 years will not give him quality of life. You may want to have some counceling to help you with your feelings. It will help you to achieve peace of mind as you work through all that is happening now. If dad is happy and at peace with his decision, it will help you by spending some time with him doing things he enjoys. Peace be with you Dolly♥.
If you take too much of any drug do you not expect adverse affects? MMS is NOT a toxic chemical. Have YOU personally used it? You are falling into the horrific cover up of the pharmaceutical companies, regulated by the FDA (who is also paid by the pharma companies, who also, by the way, pay for most medical persons education. Now WHO is getting the wool pulled over their eyes?) It is a shame that persons try to put down any possible help for persons suffering of cancer. They should have the option of ALL there is out there to help them. I guess you think the side effects of chemo and radiation non-toxic and harmless??? The FDA cannot patent this, that is why they spread disinformation about MMS.
cndsynz......sharynmarie is correct in that no one here is interested in the wonderful, curative "super treatment" that you are touting. It's frightening to know there are lonely people out there who don't have a strong support system around them and might believe these false claims! And when you know what you are talking about you might be a bit more believable....for your information no one paid for my education or my husbands, except ourselves and hard work! Unfortunately efforts have not advanced in the world of medicine to the point where there are other definitive cures for cancer other than chemo, radiation or death. Sure, everyone should have the option of weighing the best treatment for themselves........but that is only a treatment recognized by the medical community, and not one tossed out there by someone who is hoping to make millions from the sale of a book. You aren't helping anyone here.....so why don't you take your misinformation somewhere else?
cndsynz~sharing your personal experience is one thing but you slammed the medical profession with untruths. These are people who are serving their communities in dedication, compassion, and dignity. They have worked hard for their educations, building their professional reputations on truth. You my dear are the one who was rude and I agree...take your misinformation somewhere else!
Dear Jeannegibbs and others, What are all of you women talking about, MMS from cndsynz a question asked by dolly168? Somehow, I missed cndsynz's comment and question or whatever and don't know what all you women are saying about her comments.
lefaucon, The forum moderator sometimes removes posts that do not follow the site's guidelines. If you see posters objecting to something that is no longer there that is most likely what happened.
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When citric acid or other food acid is used to "activate" MMS as described in its instructions,[7] the mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent oxidizing agent used in water treatment and in bleaching.[8] The director of the New South Wales Poisons Information Centre has stated that using the product is "a bit like drinking concentrated bleach" and that users have displayed symptoms consistent with corrosive injuries, such as vomiting, stomach pains, and diarrhea.[9] Sodium chlorite, the main constituent of MMS, is a toxic chemical[10][11] that can cause fatal kidney failure.[12] Taken from Wikipedia............................
I do not see the wisdom of advocating something that might harm a person or keep them from receiving appropriate treatment for their disease. Thorough research should be done before touting a "cure" that is nothing more than a scam.
You can get a membership card for his church for $10. And this is from his newsletter: "If you wish, you will receive a pastor’s certificate and you will have the legal right to use Reverend in front of your name. It will be legal for you to not pay income tax. You can also receive a certificate to start a chapter of our church right there in your area. You can hand out tracts telling about MMS and our healing and you will no doubt have people come to you for healing. It will be best not to charge for your service, instead ask for donations after they get well, and that usually takes only a few days. Most people will want to donate something when they get well. You will make more money that way than selling the bottles of MMS."
Gee, and you won't even have to pay income taxes!
What rubbish.
My sister-in-law was diagnosed with colon cancer a couple of years ago. Her prognosis was good, but the location of the tumor, close to the rectum, complected surgery and she has had to have additional surgeries to correct problems that are surgery related and not cancer related. She is just 60 years old now and has a lot to live for, but the course of her treatment has not been easy at all.
Your dad may be remembering what his brother went through many years ago. It could be that current methods to deal with his cancer are much improved today. Still I look at my beloved sil and would just mention that situations can be ongoing and very difficult even with a good prognosis.
Your dad is saying that he would not prefer to fight and undergo more surgeries and chemo just to get maybe another 3 to 5 years. If all those years are going to be taken up with treatment, surgery and complications, I can understand his point of view.
Ultimately, it is his decision. Choices of this nature are very personal. Even if it breaks our hearts, there is so much you can do to honor your dad wishes and be by his side. He will be so grateful to you for supporting him during this time.
Please be sure that you get regular checkups and consistent colonoscopies (sp) over the years ahead. You have a history in your family and you need to be mindful of it.
Sending you love, comfort and compassion, Cattails
After completing a round of BCG he underwent a cystoscopy to see if the BCG was effective. He developed sepsis which led to a multitude of problems, and a week in the ICU. I do believe that his immune system is not as strong due to his age, plus he seems less able to recover from the anesthesia.
Hugs,
What nonsense! Please go pedal this conspiracy theory elsewhere. We have serious subjects to deal with.
What are all of you women talking about, MMS from cndsynz a question asked by dolly168? Somehow, I missed cndsynz's comment and question or whatever and don't know what all you women are saying about her comments.