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Narcissistic mother becoming very racist. She demanded an aide who is black to bow to her and call her Madam. I am absolutely horrified. Having trouble wrapping brain around this and don’t know what to tell the aide. Flowers just don’t seem to cut it for having to deal with this. Clearly, whoever is taking care of her is a saint. Mother seems to think all the aides are servants and is increasingly rude. I really don’t know what to do. She is in a memory care unit. She also just feigned a suicide attempt we think to maybe get one of the aides in trouble or as a grab for attention. She said an aide bought her Tylenol on request and she took the bottle. They never found a bottle after searching her room. I’m tired and confused and trying to square my mother’s behavior along with her personality disorder. What do I do?

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PeggySue is a new poster who writes very long posts (which I rarely finish) and is very very sure of herself and her opinions. She also comments on other posters rather than sticking to the OP issue (which of course I am doing now myself, you needn’t bother to point it out). Perhaps she could find another site with which to share her firm views. It's not helping much here.
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Of course you tattled on me to the admins, burnt. Thats fine when YOU do it vs seniors or their families seeing half of the abuse you have sat there and bragged about for years.

Look, Burnt. A memory care facility is for people who say a lot of verbal insults. Part of YOUR job is not to react in kind, which you have, or get in their face like a big ol guy, which you have, or curse at them like u have. And then, you say you have pepper spray just in case they get super ornery.
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Some, if not many, of us white folks now in our late 70s to 90s probably were raised in what now would be clearly identified as racist households. As Scampie so accurately points out, systemic racism was (and can still be) a thing in the USA. It's in our history. I can't think of a better example of that than my own experience when my (Black) spouse and I married almost 47 years ago. I was promptly disowned by my father (my mom died of cancer several years before). He was not atypical of his generation, sad to say.

I think that many of us have made serious efforts to move far beyond our racist backgrounds. However, buried in long-rejected belief systems there may be imprints from a very early age that can possibly resurface if/when we lose our minds. That does not make racist behavior or language right--ever!--but it may provide a degree of comprehension.
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Just say her brain is broke.
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Just updated my Advanced Directives for Memory Care:

If I ever start acting out like this please make me impersonate the Voodoo Queen Marie Laveau portrayed by Angela Bassett in American Horror Story who fights off some legacies of racism. I doubt I will have her biceps or cheekbones, but at least let me have the dignity to try to overcome the most embarassing and hateful moments of this great country's history as my brain fails.

I work in hospice we always assign a music therapist, a chaplain and a social worker as these deeply ingrained cultural things we learn at the youngest of ages, sadly like the history of racism or music or religion the last things that people remember.

I serve sometimes as a music volunteer, bringing in a karaoke microphone in pure medicaid communities, where they don't have money for "activities." The residents cry, get up, dance, sing along or there tremors or pain stops for a few minutes because music one of the first things we learn as fetuses even in the womb.

In hospice as absurd as it would sound, professionals would consider this painful awkward racism stuff as normal decline of the brain and her only way to keep a grip on things as her brain fails. And everyone involved getting paid to deal with the brain organ failing.
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With dementia, there's little you can do outside of getting her to take a happy pill.

A few years back when I went to see my grandmother at the nursing home, she told me to kill one of the black nurses. I was beyond appalled. Yes, she had Alzheimer's and dementia, but I was still appalled.

Once my grandmother was far enough away, I went to the nurse in question and whispered to her twice "I'm sorry."
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CaregiverL, I hope that in future we can all stick to the point, which is the OP's question. We should all drop the posts that criticise other posters, rather than speak to the OP’s problem. Suggesting that Burnt (or anyone else) is telling lies about her extensive experience, and/or that she has been a poor carer, is NOT appropriate or helpful.
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PeggySue2020 Dec 23, 2024
Burnt introduced the topic of getting up into an old lady’s face for calling her fat. She has a history of telling us how she scares old people into doing things, ways in which most or not all children support for their own parents.
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Sorry it seems as if the loved one acting out scenes from American Horror Story with Madame Lalaine Dalaury played by Kathy Bates. Perhaps the writers got the storyline from Memory Care.

I work in hospice, it gets dark. I crack jokes to deal with it as it keeps me from getting depressed or losing perspective.

Sadly disorientation to person place and time a difficult symptom of Dementia (and all mental illnesses). Sometimes we get to deal with the verbal insults from a paranoid parent or spouse or child with dementia or other mental illnesses.

One lady told me her husband of 70 years got this way towards the end with religion and race before he stopped speaking altogether. She said sometimes she wanted to take a pillow to hold over his head. Issues with speech means late stage and part of agitation.

Professionals don't discriminate against anyone's end of life symptoms. Memory care workers choose to work in that.

Hospice all about comfort during a difficult time. As absurd as it may sound, we will work around it as we would with every other case.

I have always wondered how paramedics or fire fighters run towards crisis everyone else runs from it. People in eldercare the same way, they get addicted to helping during a difficult time. Sometimes just confiding any anxieties this has caused enough with the caregivers as I truly believe caregivers find peace in helping others.

Eventually she won't speak at all as the body shuts down altogether. I would show some sympathy to the caregivers, and yourself, saying thank you for caring for my mom, explain any discomfort using I statements.
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Scampie1 Dec 23, 2024
Or how about Paula Dean wanting to do an old south type of engagement where they had blacks dressed as the help and working as servers.

I remember that American Horror Story season. I was glued to that TV.

Aides in these facilities don't pay that mess any mind especially when a resident is in the deep throes of dementia.
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Becoming “racist” when there’s no prior behavior before dementia is common. There’s no filter. Also calling fat people fat too. Also. In response to other answer from Burnt…Any aide that would argue/instigate any confrontational behavior in response to dementia patient should be fired. Probably any so called “days off “ were suspension days without pay. I don’t believe it’s vacation days. I don’t want you to think professional caregivers/aides don’t understand or have training dealing with dementia patients..who can be extremely rude. Yes, you can attempt to correct them, but most likely the behavior will get worse or continue.
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BurntCaregiver Dec 23, 2024
That day and a half was definitely with pay. My boss was a good woman and very astute. She could see I needed a break and she gave me one. When you don't correct the nasty behavior it gets worse fast. When you just go with the 'broken brain' explanation and let that be the end of it, people with mild dementia and some forgetfulness will take that as permission to behave that way.

Like I've said before when a person is so far into their dementia that they're regressed into being ill-tempered toddler, at that point you do just have to ignore it. That's a whole different thing. Sometimes medication helps. Sometimes not.
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I wouldn't worry about it or try to apologize for it. The Memory Care aides have heard all types of weird requests and racist remarks. Some black aides may oblige her and bow out of jest.

I work in home care and have gotten strange things said to me at times. Not racist thank goodness. I just smile and continue to work.

Aides will document the incident and complete tasks. By now, word has gotten around that Miss Daisy throws racist remarks.

It's strange, how these elderly may forget family members, spouses and what they ate for breakfast, but this racism is never forgotten.
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Assuming its a good memory care place, do ask their leadership what they think about it. If they say, its ok, and they are used to this and can handle it, then let them.
if they say its a problem, then ask them what if anything you can do to help with it. If they suggest telling the doctor, or considering medication treatment, then you can investigate it with the doctor etc. I have found at my dad's current place, the leadership is good with this and tell me what they can handle, and what is becoming a problem. Then we discuss it to find out the best course of action. But if they are not worried about the behavior, then dont stress yourself over it.
As you suggest, memory care staff are variable on how they handle such behavior but some are truly saint-like and they can go about their day seemingly without yelling etc bothering them. If they are having trouble dealing, they have their leadership to reach out to.
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disengage yourself
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The aide staff has to ignore her. Don't let her bad behavior get a rise out of anyone whatsoever. They go in, do what they have to do for her, and if she refuses care walk away and try again later.

I took care of seniors with dementia for many years. The MC staff has seen it all so let them handle her. I find that even when a person has dementia, when their behavior doesn't get them the desired attention they want, they will take it down a notch. If they're so far gone that they no longer possess any self-awareness that's a different story.

Years ago I was a supervisor at a nice AL facility. We had residents with dementia and one in particular. A woman who every time she saw me walk by would say, 'there goes that fat b*tch again'. Everyone said she had a "broken" brain and just to ignore her. One day, I lost my temper just a little. I'm a human being and no one is perfect. I rounded on her and backed her up against the wall. I got about an inch away from her face and asked her to repeat what she just said. Of course, she got flustered and upset.

She never spoke that way to me again and I worked there for two more years and she was still a resident too.

It's okay to correct these people when they're going to far even when they have dementia. The same way you'd correct a child. No one is bowing to your mother or calling her madame. That's not happening. She either gets used to it or no will even try to engage with her.
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PeggySue2020 Dec 21, 2024
So Burnt, this is the latest of several times over the years that you’ve told us that you’ve gotten literally in someone’s face, or “lightly” slapped them or shouted profanities at them. No one here wants that for their parent. Most would have you fired if they witnessed it.
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Let the Memory Care staff handle it. They have seen it all.
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AlvaDeer Dec 20, 2024
You are correct. They have. And handled it all. And are usually so adept at it. Understanding that the worst parts of ourselves are up front and on display in these circumstances at all times.
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For me with my dad , was at one of my sons soccer game, and he said very loudly something very bad about the lady in front of us. Well I should have known, thinking back now, that was one of the first signs
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strugglinson Dec 21, 2024
exactly. i didnt realize why at the time, but this is why i stopped inviting parent to my sons events , sadly
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You are stressing over something that you nor your mother can no longer control, as her brain is now permanently broken, so just stop.
Those that work in memory care I'm sure have seen and heard it all at this point so I wouldn't give it another thought.
And perhaps it's best that you only visit your mother now once a week or every other week, as your visits seem to be too stressful for you.
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AlvaDeer Dec 21, 2024
Stugglinson
A big amen to that.
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Her brain is "broken". The part that controls filter maybe "dead".
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AlvaDeer Dec 20, 2024
Yes, but it's who she is and always was.
Without the filter.
Which somehow hurts all the more.
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Nothing Much you can do . I would Not stress over her behaviour .
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My mother that watched me give birth to my son (32 yo) now thinks he's adopted because there's no way a white person could have a brown baby. She also has used some racial slurs with staff that, after my son was born, she would have been very careful about where and with whom she used them. When she did use those slurs with staff, neither I nor my son was present. Even if we had been, she still would have adamantly denied saying it, as she always would have done, and just as she now denies saying anything 10 seconds earlier.

BUT, that faulty filter of hers had no issue telling me there was no way I gave birth to my son. She used "brown", instead of the word I know she wanted to use instead but also knew I would have cussed her TF out and not returned if she had. I'm telling you, when the "experts" say they can't help it, sure, the filter is working...but they do absolutely know what they are saying. If they didn't, they would use that word to refer to anyone, not just a specific set of people.

I also wholeheartedly believe that dementia patients who have always had that tendency or potential are the only ones that ever utter it. I think it comes easier to those who, at some point in their life, it was a regular part of their everyday vernacular. And it will never go away until that word no longer exists.
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Oregoncats Dec 20, 2024
I took my Mom out to eat once and she said out loud something like, "Look at her big, fat a**! She doesn't need to be eating!" I wanted to crawl under the table and hide and she has no problem with the n word either....neither did my grandma from Kentucky.
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I recently sat down with the manager of my mother’s care and we discussed her new use of racial insults. (she also hits, kicks and bites) I was horrified by her words. Our family is racially diverse, as was my parents’ friend group.

I limit my visits and have gone Grey Rock, which outrages my mother as I no longer snap to attention nor react. And so she calls me fat and ugly.

We have concluded that she is grasping for the most outrageous, most hurtful, most forbidden, most reaction-provoking words she knows. Dementia has destroyed her filter and she will resort to anything to inflict pain or to get her way. She does not process why the world doesn’t revolve around her, anxious to do her bidding.

When she gets her way she turns sweet as sugar.
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You're doing the right thing going 'Grey Rock' with your mother because she behaves abusively to you. Everyone will give you the schtick about 'broken brains' and 'broken filters', but you know what? Abuse is still abuse even when it comes from a demented person and no one has to subject themselves to it.

You've been posting on the forum for a long time. From what I've seen your mother has pretty much treated you this way most of your life. Forcing youself to endure it now because she's been placed is something you do not have to do and I hope you don't suffer one moment of guilt or self-doubt for going 'Grey Rock'.

She's sweet as sugar when she gets her own way. Treat others with abuse and contempt to get what you want and when they're been sufficiently hurt and broke down, they'll give in and do my bidding. Hasn't this been her M.O. your entire life?

Good for you limited your interactions with her toxicity and abuse.
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Is the aid so doubled over with laughter she can't stand up? Because that's how the African American gals I worked with would have responded.

I DO remember a time long ago when we had few black nurses for whatever reason in my hospital, and when we not many years out of the dark ages. And I recall mean remarks and even refusals by oldsters-- and not only a black person, but an Asian Nurse (with of course the litany of "I cannot understand a thing she says") or a male nurse. And on you go.

At that time we had one African American RN on our ward (yes we are talking barely out of the dark ages; I am 82 now). Her name was Helen. We had received a patient on a guerney from ER and it was Helen's turn for the admit so I was helping her get the patient transferred from guerney to bed.
The patient ignored Helen and kept addressing me until finally Helen said "Mrs __________, I am your nurse" to which the old bat said "I don't WANT you--I want HER" pointing to me. Helen was fine. She said "Yes, I understand, but you aren't GETTING her".
I however ended over the coffemaker in tears at the humiliation of my friend.

An old Irish RN near retirement came up to comfort me and said in her lovely brogue, "You know, my dear, things change one coffin at a time".

I never forgot it.
I am surprised there is still so much racism, but I am telling you now that there are PLENTY of black RNs, and they are used to it and they can handle it and they do understand that things change one coffin at a time. They are often very courageous in the face of pain.

So you want to make that gal's day? Take her aside and tell her "I apologize for Mom. Truth is she's a racist, and not otherwise a very nice person as well. She doesn't just hate you, she hates everyone, including me. I know you know that things change one coffin at a time, and hers is on the way". Thank her for her professionalism. That's it. All you can do. You aren't your mom and you aren't responsible for her. She was never very nice. Still isn't, and now lives in disinhibition. It's all hanging out.

That's it. That's how we deal. With honesty. Moving on. Weeping when we must, laughing when we can, working hard, keeping our own minds and hearts clean as we can and steady in the fray. There's an old Jewish saying that we are not required to FINISH the work, but neither are we allowed to refrain from it. Something like that. Hope someone remembers the quote.
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WTFchoice Dec 20, 2024
“It is not your duty to finish the work, but neither are you free to desist from it.”

Think that is how it goes.
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Its the Dementia. As said filters are gone. There is nothing you or the staff can do about it. Like lea said, if it bothers the aide, she can ask to be replaced. If you are working in a MC then you should be trained to overlook this. You cannot explain to Mom that she is wrong.
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My (now deceased) Italian-American Aunt with advanced dementia started using the n word and saying racist things to her aids, nurses, etc. She was never like this in her youth (i know because she helped raise me and lived with me). She (and my Mom's family) grew up in the Bronx in between a black neighborhood and a Jewish one. Then retired to southeast FL.

One time I took her in for some labwork and the tech was a person of color (Cuban). I took the tech aside and apologized in advance and she just smiled and said, "No worries, it happens all the time, we're used to it and it doesn't offend me. She can't help it."

Another time an aid came to her house (an African American) and I again intercepted her to apologize and gave her the option to leave and I would also pay for her full hours anyway. She also gave the exact same response. There are many other examples my family caregivers experienced. No aid or nurse ever went off in a huff or left in advance. Like lealonnie1 pointed out, it goes with the territory if one is going to work with demented elders.

My Aunt used to regularly accuse me of being a murderer (stabbing people to death). I'm pretty sure she didn't think I was a murderer in my youth, so if people think that the racist comments that percolate to a demented person's surface is always proof that they were covert bigots in their youth, please rethink this. Is it possible? Of course, but it doesn't apply to every elder.
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Scampie1 Dec 20, 2024
Like I responded to this thread below, that I'm polite to all of my clients. I have yet to leave a client who hurled racist insults even though I would never set myself up in one of these situations.

I'm more sensitive to these issues because of the systemic racism issues in the US that evolved after slavery that still exist today. Black women worked in households and they were treated less than human.

So no, unfortunately, I do not share the same sentiments of laughing at a situation that has been a problem in the US from day one.

I'm not responding to anymore of these posts because if this behavior is coming out because of dementia or some other sort of illness, it's been dormant. There is no longer a filter involved to curtail the behavior.
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Narcissism notwithstanding, are these racist "tendencies" new behavior? As in brand new, totally out of character?

If so, have them check for A-fib, even if mom hasn't had heart issues.

This exact behavior happened to my FIL after experiencing an episode of A-fib when he was in the hospital following cancer surgery. He was a dear man, who never, ever had a bad word to say about - or to - anyone, but overnight he became nasty, saying some truly horrible racist things to the hospital workers. He also became extremely paranoid and was convinced he was being held against his will. We were mortified, but the nurses all told us this was part and parcel of the A-fib, and to not worry about it, the behavior would pass, and he would not likely remember anything about it, which is exactly what happened. We had never heard of such a thing, but the nursing staff just laughed and said it was very common in patients who had experienced an A-fib episode as severe as my FIL's had been.
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Dachshund70 Dec 20, 2024
It is new behavior. Will look into this. Thanks
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Racism in America is the norm for many people.

One thing one RN taught me is that you never accept disrespect from a client or patient, dementia or not.

Paranoia and accusations are par for the course in dementia. However, with racism involved, many black people have been jailed, or fired from jobs because of accusations of this nature. I worked for an agency years ago where an aide was accused of something and had to go to court over some nonsense accusation made by a client. She won the case. However, sometimes it does get this far.

When I have Caucasian clients, I'm polite, but when accusations and the servant attitude starts, I'm out of there. Sometimes it is best to replace the aide with their own race. I will document the incident, but I will not return to the client . This happens with clients of other races as well. It's a form of paranoia that comes with the territory of dementia. I have been accused of stealing and blocked on steps. Once a client gets physical, I'm done. It just shows that whomever is in charge is not taking proper measures to insure that the client or the aide is well protected in these situations. It makes the job harder and very unpleasant. Racists remarks will make my radar go up and I'm extra careful around these types.

Also, it depends on the client and if they are willing to cooperate with the aide and the care they receive. Sometimes it's best to switch the aide. They may like you one day, and the very next day, you may be their worst enemy.

No, we do not get used to being around racists and rudeness. It makes the job very unpleasant and disconcerting. I would assume that these matters are handled differently in a facility than in home care.
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Anabanana Dec 20, 2024
I am the daughter of a care resident who resorts to racial insults one minute, and proclaims her love of the same staff the next. Do you have any suggestions for what I can do? (I cried when I overheard her insult the kind, patient, wonderful aides who care for her) I have apologized. I am about to drop off cash for Christmas. I bring treats. I know I can’t reason with my mother’s broken brain and deranged sense of her own importance. They assure me that it’s a hazard of the job that they have to shrug off. But I know it hurts, just as it’ll always hurt me when she says I’m ugly. How can I help?
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Your mother has dementia and is placed accordingly in a facility where the staff is trained to recognize and understand the behaviors that go along with the condition. They're used to it, and if not, they need to get used to it or find a new job. Dementia shrinks a persons world down to primitve, selfish, "narcissistic" behavior that's not socially appropriate.

You are to do nothing. Let the staff handle mom and if she gets out of hand, she'll need a geriatric psychiatrist to see her and prescribe calming meds.

Its not your job to calm her down or to apologize for moms behavior. It goes with the territory. You meet her at HER level now, which is not to say you agree with her words, you just ignore them. Change the subject.

Best of luck to you.
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MargaretMcKen Dec 22, 2024
This sounds OK, except about no apologies. I think it's totally appropriate to make it clear that M's behavior is not part of her family's ideas. Racisim does in fact often run in families. No need to labor the apology - an eye roll says it all.
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