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My husband is blind to what caring for his mother has done, and is doing, to our family. His mother has early onset dementia and, as an only child, he has made it is mission to provide for her. He wants to give her the best possible life and refuses to acknowledge that us in our 30's should not be responsible for this.
I have expressed while it is unfortunate but her care is going to bankrupt us both financially and emotionally. We have done therapy but it becomes a lot of the same talking points. He could not live with putting his mother who is in her 60's in MC. She would have to go on Medicaid but her cognitive ability is heavily impaired so MC is where she would end up.
I do not know how to convey what our family is going through. Our son is suffering the most. He went from having a full-time parents to parents who are walking a tight rope that of emotion. I do love my husband and I acknowledge he would not be the same person I force his hand via leaving him or telling him he has to choose.
Idk what to do though. I feel out of real options.

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This experience your family is going through is challenging emotionally, physically and mentally. But it should NOT bankrupt you financially as well! Why are you paying for your mother-in-law's needs? You should be exhausting her funds, and then apply for medicaid. Medicaid will open up more options for you to explore. Home care, nursing home care. In many states, family members can be paid as caregivers. That would at least help alleviate some of the financial burden.

I'm sorry you and your husband are at odds about this issue.
Of course you have options. As some here have suggested, divorce might be the answer. You love and want to support your husband. Try and remind yourself that none of us wanted this caregiving role. It is always unexpected, and we learn to navigate our way forward.

It may help you to set clear rules as to your role in this caregiving scenario. You are not obligated to help provide care. Your husband needs to understand that this is his choice and his burden alone. Depending on your relationship with your MIL, you may want to be more involved. That is up to you to decide and set clear limits. It's hard to say what effect this all has on your son. You say he is suffering the most. Perhaps that is just your emotions projected on to him.
He could be suffering the lack of attention of his parents, or it could be a positive learning experience for him to see what caring for a disabled elder means. This is his grandmother. It could be very upsetting for him to see her in this way. Some children and grandchildren end up helping to care for a grandparent out of love, and end up making it a career later. We need more caring people like that who seek to care for others in need.
Have some deep conversations with your husband and son, where everyone can express their feelings and introduce ideas.

Show your husband what others on this forum have to say. We have all done it and have some good advice. But only you can find the way through this that works for you.
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Memory 50, how about you provide more information about the care you do, and ask for any advice that might help you. The point of this forum is not to complain about other posters.
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MargaretMcKen Dec 12, 2024
Memory is in her 30s. Her mother has “Multi-infarct dementia (MID), a type of vascular dementia that results from a series of small strokes”. Her mother is perhaps in her 60s, and may be functioning well at present. Memory sees her 30s as being “the prime years to be in the sandwich generation, that's when you care for parents”. It may be that M's care is what she does, not earning a living. We can’t know because she has provided no information. Memory can’t know how long her M is going to live, how M's condition will deteriorate, what care she will be expected to provide in the future when she is 'past her prime years', and of course what her expectations for her own care will be for her own daughters or daughters in law. I wonder if she will feel the same about all this in 30 years time?
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You kind of sign up for these things when you get married. You dont just marry the person but also the family and all their responsibilities and troubles. Im in my thirties and my mom has multi infarct. If you are in your thirties you are in the prime years to be in the sandwich generation, Thats when you care for parents. If you leave him youll likely end up with someone else with similar issues. All parents age. I get that it is overwhelming but this is your husband’s mom, its not surprising he wants whats best for her and frankly it is a mark of a good husband as hes likely to care about you and kids when you are in need
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TouchMatters Dec 11, 2024
No, she didn't sign up for this.
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Prayers sent.
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Telling you the following probably isn’t very helpful; I’d rather be telling your husband. May I speak with him for a moment please?

Sometimes the most loving, caring thing you can do for someone with dementia is to find a safe and happy place for them to live so you can carry on with the responsibilities of your family. The tie between you and your mother will remain strong as you visit her and advocate for her. Your tie between your loving wife and son will heal and grow stronger. Your mother will be relieved of the burden of knowing her care is causing strain in your marriage which, by all rights, should carry on long after she is gone from this world.

To you: My experience has been that when men talk about working as a team, it only applies when they are the captain.

I sincerely hope that you are able to find a way to stay together and your husband is able to see the necessity of changing his focus back to the person to whom he made vows. If not, you do have choices; they are painful, but better than the pain you’re feeling right now which is not of your own choice.
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I think you need to stop supporting this situation. Could your husband manage to care for his mother on his own?

Your marriage needs to be different. Your husband's priorities need to be different, and also his plan for caring for his mother. If this is using up your financial resources, what's his plan for your future old age? She could live for a long time yet. The caregiving will get harder, and more resources will be needed.

Nothing changes if you don't change. Exactly what that should be I don't know, but from what you wrote you are nearing the end of your tether, which is not surprising. Consider the suggestions here and your options. I have to say I think this is very unfair to your son. He deserves better as do you. No one is saying it will be easy but things staying the same is worse.
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anonymous144448 Dec 11, 2024
Golden, how old did your mom live to?
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This is emerging trend it seems.
With people living longer and more getting diagnosed with long progressive diseases which have no cure and many parents not saving or expecting to live so long care becomes child’s responsibility.
According to some articles millions (if I am correct 6 mil) mostly women age 30-50 are becoming unpaid caregivers. And this number is growing exponentially.
They will have to forgo careers, promotions, or at least jobs that would keep couples in better financial shape. But there is more than money. It is devastating to forgo life in general, maybe children, maybe ambition of having this great career as doctor, lawyer, scientist.
And as some may choose to be caregivers for whatever reason we need to acknowledge many would not want to or are simply not capable of being caregivers. They trained or took degrees to become what they choose to be.
As much as some say how rewarding caregiving is it is also mentally and physically exhausting.
And leaves little time or energy for other pursuits.
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anonymous3000738 Dec 11, 2024
Care has always been the childs responsibility. It is a myth that people died in their thirties in days of yore. The danger years for mortality were ages 0-5. Sure it was less time but it was still the child’s responsibility till about 58 for men and 62 for women.
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For all the haters out there, I NEVER said that I don’t have a financial plan for myself for my possible future health issues. What I said is that I hope my future daughter in-laws will be more loving and supportive.
I never said I wanted my sons to have to do any of the hard parts of caretaking for me. But, I would want their love and attention during our final years together. If you think I am selfish, you clearly do not know me.
so back off. So many people on here are so negative. What a shame. I really don’t think this posting of opinions, benefits from so many negative attitudes. I realize without a doubt how hard round the clock caretaking is, and the costs. I just think families should help and love each other.
If you don’t agree with me, that is your problem.
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Anxietynacy Dec 11, 2024
Tiger, just between you and me, 😂 I think people are being a bit harsh here. The thing is though you have really no idea what we all go through.

I also myself will never let my kids do for me. I'm 61, husband is 72 retired, I don't work because he likes me home, not at my mother's everyday. Would it be fair to either of us if I ruined every minute of are retirement for mom, years we will never ever get back.

People are living longer and longer, with worsening health. The old saying, they have one foot in the grave,means so much different than it use to when I was a kid.

People live well past 90 now. I'm on year 4 of doing for mom. Some people care give an aging parents for 15 YEARS. This is why people are saying what they are saying
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You and your son need to be in therapy. You might try the same therapist but you each have your own time with the therapist. That’s what I did when my DH and I were going through some trials. My daughter was 10. Of course it would help the father as well but your focus needs to be your work and your son. If you don’t have a job you need to get one.
Horrible things happen in life that we feel we have no control over.

Your son needs to learn how to ask for and get help and support. In a way that makes him strong not overly dependent.
He also needs his father in his life. But you aren’t in control of that.
He will look to the same sex parent for role modeling. Let him see other men who can encourage him if dad isn’t up for the job at this point. Teachers. Sports. Music. Trips to the book store. A dog. Church if that is a support for you. Lean in. Help him to find an extended family in the community. If he has cousins on your side that would be great. Even if he only got to see them a few times a year. They can be a thread through his life that is important for him. Help him find programs that keep him in a positive mind set while his father comes to grips with his fears for the grandmother. If he is unhappy at home he will look for friends outside the home and it can be a cold and even dangerous place for a child with no solid foundation, whose parents are focused elsewhere.

Her condition will change as the disease progresses but a childhood you can influence is for a brief span. You must love your husband or you wouldn’t be looking for answers. You would be gone. And gone might be the answer at some point but for today, get your son into therapy.

He has a very sick GM, a struggling dad and an awesome mom. Help your son focus on what’s right in his world.

You can’t take care of everything overnight but you can get your priorities straight. Do a puzzle with your son. Look him in the eyes. Spend at least 30 min. a day with just him in a meaningful way. Listen to a book on tape when taking him to school. Read a chapter book to him at night. Check out the Life of Pi depending on his age. Breath. The answers will come. Big hugs.
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Southernwave: How awful for your friend. The "poo" incident would for sure have been the last straw for me. I'll soon turn 88 and so far have most of my marbles. I sincerely hope to make my Final Exit before I get anywhere near that point. Our family should NOT have to deal with incontinence at all--EVER. I guess I'd better state that even more clearly in my final letter than I already have.
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anonymous144448 Dec 11, 2024
Yeah, she was so upset about it and they just had no other choice. Sad.
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I am sorry you are in this situation. You have a lot to think about, given all the earlier advice, so I won't advocate one way or another. You do what is right for your family.


I will reiterate that it is not anyone else's responsibility except your mother-in-law's to take financial responsibility for her care. Her son may step in to help sort it out if she is incapable. Your family is not at all responsible for paying for her care. I did not read specifically whether or not she is living in your home, but there are resources to help financially (and otherwise), whether in-home or in long-term/memory care.


I have never expected my husband to help me with my mother. There was no question as to whether I was going to bring her into our home (it's not big enough and she would drive me nuts), nor would I ever ask him to take any kind of financial responsibility for her. The money that we have saved is for OUR retirement. He is moral support only (and sometimes sounding board and bartender).


I am an only child, so it's all on my shoulders, so from that respect I can appreciate your husband wanting to take care of his mother. I wanted to care for my mother in a way that allowed me to get on with my life. I do occasionally pay for extras and fun things for her, sure. My mom is on Medicaid in long-term care and is nearing the end of her life now. Two years ago, she fell and badly broke her wrist. She's been in LTC since then and doesn't get out of bed, so she needs help with everything. There is no way I could take care of her and work, even if I did have an in-home third-party caregiver. (And keep my sanity!)


My most stressful time during all of it was applying for Medicare and waiting and wondering. It was nerve-wracking but once it went through, it was like a huge weight had been lifted. This happened during COVID-19, and I was working from home, thank goodness! But, had I been going to the office every day, husband's role would have been to make sure I had a martini waiting for me when I got home, lol.


I wish you the best of outcomes for this difficult situation.
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ElizabethAR37 Dec 11, 2024
If my husband (95) and/or I (soon to be 88) were to end up in a facility on Medicaid, I would deeply appreciate our family occasionally paying for "extras" or items that we could no longer afford, although I would not expect them to do so. We did our best to plan for our so-called "Golden Years," but they have unfortunately lasted longer than we anticipated. I'm sure your mother has appreciated all that you have done for her.
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My MIL was in her 60s when it became clear that she had early onset (early in our opinion) dementia. My DH and I lived in another state 650 miles away, and relocated to be closer to her. He was about 40 years old and I was in my late 20s. No children. Our agreement was that once one of us got employment secured, we'd relocate. I got a job offer. That left DH to stay at home caring for his mother. He couldn't sleep a full night because she'd stay up most of the night smoking. She'd set the trash can on fire once from butts that hadn't cooled before emptying the ashtray. She'd refuse to go to bed, bathe or change clothes. She didn't know me well, and so I could not convince her to do any of this. She'd try to put leftovers in the oven instead of the fridge. She hid things and injured her back trying to hide something under her mattress. My DH understood that as sole financial supporter, I had to get sleep to function at work. In less than a year, he made the decision that she had to be placed into Memory Care. It broke his heart, but as her caregiver he realized it had to be done for everyone's safety and well being - hers and ours. Medicaid and her disability check and SS check paid for the placement. She lived there about a half-dozen years, more or less. It was cancer that finally took her life, not the Alzheimers. I don't know if this helps you. Maybe show this to your husband. It may give him a new perspective. I hope so for all of you.
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anonymous144448 Dec 11, 2024
What finally did it for my friend was they both worked and his mom lived with them. They would take turns on who was going to wake up and take care of her needs during the night so the other could have a full night sleep.

One night when my friend was on duty (and who had to work the next day) she was helping her MIL with toileting and next thing she knew, MIL reached down and grabbed her poo coming out and smeared it all over my friend’s face and then laughed at her.

Of course my friend knew it was the dementia but then she had to wake her husband up so he could clean up his mother (poo was everywhere at this point) and my friend could clean herself up.

That is when they realized they were playing checkers and dementia was playing chess. That is when they knew it was beyond them. They placed her soon after
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I don’t think your Husband “has placed his mother above you and your son”, as Loopy suggests. He thinks he can have it all – you will accept this as ‘a good wife’ while he does what he wants to do. He thinks you have no options except to go along with this – or divorce, which he can’t believe you want (because actually you don’t want it). Separating the money right now is a good step. It’s something you can do, which has an important impact well before leaving or starting divorce kicks in.

Your post doesn’t say whether or not you are working yourself. “Her care is going to bankrupt us both financially” suggests that you have at least some separate finances. If you are a rare ‘stay at home wife’ in your 30s, you might thing about getting a job. If you work, make sure your income goes into a separate account. Our ex-neighbor stripped their joint bank account (including H’s Christmas pay) the day she walked out to go to live with her mother. If he is angry and self-righteous, he could do that to you. “Now she’s got no choice, ha ha”.

And yes, drop down any care you provide yourself. If he’s out at M’s, take yourself and your son out to do something nice that he would also have wanted to do. Don’t hang around being miserable.
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Anxietynacy Dec 11, 2024
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Can you tell us some more specifics? Does your MIL live with you or in her own home? Is your husband neglecting the family because he is absent, giving all of his time to her, or is he absorbed in her care in your home while ignoring you and your son, or is he requiring you to do caregiving while neglecting your other responsibilities (including to your son) and needs?

A bit more about the finances -- are you both employed, or just one of you? Has he given up working to take care of his mother, or is he going to work and leaving the care to you, or is he spending excessively on his mother out of your family budget?

I'm very sorry you're in this situation, especially so young when you should have a thriving family life. The responses you've gotten already have some great advice, but with more details we can give more tailored advice -- and sympathy.
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Just to add to this, I took care of my Mother for 3 years and my Father for 4 years. With dementia! My family was very supportive and it brought us even closer together. I will forever be grateful to my husband and sons for all of their help!!!
If I ever get dementia down the road, I sure hope my sons have wives that are much more loving and supportive, than the people that have been posting here today.
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anonymous144448 Dec 11, 2024
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This All sounds so outrageous! People encouraging divorce? How crazy is that? Families need to work together to take care of one another!!! His mother is the reason this woman has him as a husband, and has the son she has. He clearly remembers a lifetime of a wonderful mother who took care of him, and he now wants to take care of her. The entire family should work together on this issue. How sad to talk about her leaving him in his biggest time if need. Life in a marriage is not always 50/50 even. Sometimes you have to give more and sometimes you get more. This world seems to care less about religion and how we are to take care of one another, and it has turned into tons of selfish behavior. So many just care about themselves. How sad!!! You will be the elderly person one day, do you want your son’s wife to divorce him because he loves you?
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anonymous144448 Dec 11, 2024
I for one would NEVER want my children to care for me if I had dementia! There is NO reason I would ever want that.

Frankly, I find you incredibly selfish for expecting it from your currently invisible daughters in law.

different strokes for different folks and all of that. I can judge you too you know. 🤨

I also find it BIZARRE that you encourage the bankruptcy of a woman and her children by her husband, which is financial abuse.
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Some of our readers say that divorce is the option to stop a dysfunctional marriage. I agree, whether it causes family fracturing or not. Your family is already in trouble with your parents in marriage trouble. Divorce is freedom from further house-sharing misery.

I suffered a family breakup decades ago when my parents had divorced. I know we had to go into foster care, but it was far better than our sick, selfish mother and selfish father could provide. We now live in different states forever, but we six kids are much better off without having stayed in one house.
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anonymous144448 Dec 11, 2024
Well, and OP speaking to a divorce attorney and even paying for a consult doesn’t mean she has to get divorced. It just means she needs to run things by someone who knows about it.
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Have you said to him straight out in stark terms that his mother is going to get worse and die from dementia (unless something else kills her first) and there is nothing that he or anyone else can do about this, BUT he does have a choice as to whether to destroy his marriage? And he has a choice as to whether to seriously negatively impact his relationship with his son likely forever??
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Sami1966 Dec 11, 2024
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He has placed his mother above you and your son. I think that says it all.

And you know who he would choose if given an ultimatum.

Move with your son into an apartment until husband moves her from your home. He will protest but remind him this must be what he wants, right?
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It sounds like you need to divorce him to preserve your half of your money before he spends it on her.

please see a divorce attorney at least to talk this all out with a professional
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Nobody "wants" to place a younger parent with dementia into managed care. Nobody "wants" dementia. Nobody "wants" cancer or illness of any kind to strike them or their loved ones, yet sometimes it does.

At that point, the family must decide together what's best for the family. Not to automatically sacrifice the wellbeing of the entire family for the sake of the one who's ill. That makes no sense and turns your husband into a dictator, not a team player. The wellbeing of your son is most important, as you both took on that responsibility when you chose to have him.

I worked at a Memory Care Assisted Living facility where we had 2 women in their late 50s or early 60s with advanced dementia. I'm sure their husbands weren't thrilled to place them, but it was a necessity. They came to visit frequently and the women were well adjusted to daily routines and life in care.

Dementia is a lose-lose situation for ALL concerned. You lose, your son loses, your husband loses, and mostly, your MIL loses. With such a situation, you choose the lesser of the bad choices because they're ALL bad choices. If she stays with you, 3 people lose....you, your son and your husband since you'll likely get divorced. If she goes into managed care, she loses only, at least in hubbys mind. Which is not necessarily the case, but how HE views it. Once dementia of this caliber sets in, age is irrelevant. They're all 12 years old again, regressed in time back to when they were young girls. They can be 60 or 99, it doesn't matter.

Wishing you the best of luck with a difficult situation.
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I'm so sorry. As others have said, you may not be able to change your husband's mind, and you may need to move forward without him. He may decide that his self-imposed requirements to avoid putting his mother in memory care are more important than his marriage to you or his ability to support his son. That is his choice. But you also have choices. They may force a hard transition, but any transition is temporary - it will pass, and the goal is to get you and your son in a better place. Think of how much better your life could be in 6 or 12 months, and hold onto that thought.

That said, some things to bring up with your husband, if you haven't already. These MAY help you break him out of his denial. They may not. But you could try.
- You don't say how the care "the family" is providing is divided. If you are the one managing most of this, and your husband still has more leisure time than you, then he may not "see" the burden because he's outsourced it onto you. Have you brought him a specific breakdown of the burden for a typical week on him vs. you? Pointing out specifically how this is unfair might help, or might not (maybe he feels he is entitled to sign you up for an unpaid second job?) But you CAN say "no" to that division of labor.
- As others suggest, arrange a "vacation" (at home or away) where you do not do anything related to your MIL's care. Focus on your son and make your husband bear the full burden of his decision for awhile. It may give him a better perspective. And at the end of this vacation, consider making this permanent: "I need to focus on my mental/physical/financial health and on supporting our son. That is a full time job. If you choose to care for your mother like this, that is going to be your job, not mine." Then listen to his response and move forward accordingly.
- Re: finances, protect what you can. You don't want to be financially stuck in this situation. If you work, you don't need his permission to switch your direct deposit to a new account that is only in your name. Tell him you want to do this, and be honest that it's because you feel financially unsafe giving him control of your money. Let him manage only his own money plus the care for his mother and see how quickly home care drains his account. Again, it may change his perspective. (Also, it may make him realize that if he doesn't have access to your money, he'll be forced to put his MIL in MC anyway - really, it sounds like there's no situation that ends the way he wants it to, unless he wins the lottery.)
- Only you can say how discussions have gone in the past and how your husband manages money, but consider making him sit down and go over the numbers, especially if he is not the one regularly managing your finances. So, rather than more vague discussion of "this will bankrupt us", instead saying, "we're spending $X/month more than we are making. In Y months, we will be unable to pay for everything. What is your plan when we cannot pay for rent/mortgage/groceries? What is your plan if one of us or our son needs care, of if we have an emergency expense?" His answer may reveal to you that he is a "magical thinker" who thinks "everything will work out". If so, then you know he really cannot be trusted to deal with this rationally, ever, and that he is willing to bankrupt you all. (And if his answer is to borrow money via a credit card or loan with your name on it, consider how that may affect YOUR credit and debt load, even if you eventually divorce.)
- if you think it would be useful, try asking your husband what he would do if your situations were reversed: what if it was your parent who needed care and you were demanding he care for them in the same way? Would that be fair?

Remember: this is not about how much you love your husband or your MIL. Love is not permission to let someone hurt you. If your husband will not keep you and your son safe, then you have to do it yourself.
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You have tried therapy.
That didn't work.
Your husband has made his decision and will bankrupt you both.

It's time to secretly/quietly see a divorce attorney and get the finances locked down so that your husband cannot take them all.
It's time to divorce or get legal separation to get your OWN FINANCES secured.

AFTER THAT make it clear (when the papers arrive) why you did it (which of course is to secure your own future).
Make it clear that you had no choice because all remedies have been tried.
Make it clear that your husband has made his choice to bankrupt himself on care of a woman who just may have about four decades left to live, and you simply cannot go that route.
Make it clear that you care for hubby and will attempt to emotionally support him but cannot be bankrupted by him.

I wish there was another choice, a better choice, but I just can't think of one; I would bow to anyone with a better solution for you. It takes a lifetime to save for our care in the future. I am 82 and know this. I wish you the best of luck and hope you'll update us.
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I’m sorry for the situation, it’s heartbreaking for all. Please never look at it as asking your husband to choose between his marriage or his mother, acknowledge that he’s already chosen. He’s willing to jeopardize his marriage, family life, and relationship with his son in service to mom’s condition. I’m sure it’s out of noble and good intentions, he should be admired for his caring. But not at the high price it’s costing. The results, both happening now, and over time becoming far worse, will be a family filled with resentment and a son who grows distant and hates his upbringing. Meanwhile, a mom, if healthy and whole, would never want this for her family. Also, don’t immediately discount using Medicaid, my mother in different circumstances, lived in a nursing home for four years, going from private pay to using Medicaid in that time. Though it wasn’t what our family wanted for her, it was absolutely necessary. Her care was competent, compassionate, and kind throughout, no matter how she was paying. We became her advocates and cheerleaders instead of her resentful, burned out caregivers.
Consider taking your son for a short trip during the holidays. He deserves a break and it might help your husband see things with more clarity if mom is completely his to care for, at least for a few days. I wish you all peace
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JeanLouise Dec 5, 2024
Excellent advice. A get away for Mom and son validates the boy and will show DH the gravity caregiver burden.
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What can you do - short of what you don't want to do? Your options are fairly limited. It's awful to be in that position. You love your husband and you want to help him. But at the same time, you need him to realize that he is hurting you and your son.

If you aren't willing to consider the most severe options - which I also understand, then you will have to ensure that you and your son are protected.

If you have talked to your DH and he is unwilling to budge, about the only recourse you still have is to ensure that you (and your son if that applies) do not lift a finger to help him take care of her. And I mean a single finger. Don't be available to give him respite, don't be available to help her to the bathroom or make her meals or anything at all.

If HE is choosing to care for her against what is best for his family and you aren't willing to leave (which again I totally get), then the only other option is to remove yourself as his backup, as his helper. Focus all of your energy on your son. Give him that one full time parent who is focused on him, your home and your family.

Your DH has put you between a rock and a hard place, with zero input into how he handles a situation that doesn't just impact him. You don't need his permission to stop being involved at all. You don't have to help him take care of her.

I know this is hard. It honestly sucks. I was very lucky in that the instant I told my DH I was done helping his father, he agreed and we were prepared to back off right before it became an immediate need to place him. But not everyone has that luxury and I recognize that.

I also knew that in giving him an ultimatum that I would no longer help, I was taking a risk. I took a number of them when trying to figure out FIL's care. They were calculated but still a risk. You never know how someone is going to react when backed into a corner.

But you are backed into a corner right now too. And your responsibility is to your DH and your son. And if your DH is putting your son in this spot over his mother, then your options are limited. Because it is your responsibility to protect your son.

Your Dh may not realize just how badly this is impacting his family. Or just how much you are involved in helping. You can and should take back your own autonomy and focus on your son. Maybe even the simple act of removing your assistance will be enough to open your DH's eyes, who knows.

Again, I'm sorry you are dealing with this. It's an awful spot to be in.
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