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They were talking about going back to Florida, but the condos and apartments are too expensive and my husband is done paying for them - thank goodness!!! My Dad said he made a mistake not to go into AL - they were so stupid - I told them you could have meals delivered to them and pills done, housekeeping etc. What happened was my mom went crazy when she heard the size of the apartment and that they didn't have a stove - she doesn't even cook anymore - my Dad does and she gives him directions. If she wanted to cook she could have come to my place. It would have been a nice change of pace to visit us. So so frigin' STUPID!!!! PS: I don't think you can sublet a rental - does anyone know if that's possible?
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waytomisery Sep 17, 2024
Read the lease . It will state if you are allowed to sublet it . Or read the conditions to end the lease early . Maybe you get your Dad to make Mom move out sooner if you can break the lease .

Don’t hang a map or anything on the walls , they aren’t staying there. Even Dad said it was a mistake. Don’t put any holes in the walls , you’ll just have to fix them when they move out . Get Dad to agree , this is temporary , no fancy decorating. Let Dad shut Mom down . He needs to step up and put his foot down , mom needs guard rails .
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Romeo, please read and reread AlvaDeer’s latest post. Rarely is she this blunt.

Few of us are interested in this dysfunctional Italian Waltons drama just because it’s so interesting, Furthermore, your “advice seeking” follows a predictive loop in which mommy is mean to you, you then make a face back, and then tell us all about it. You’re even recycling and retelling items. The mistake about them not going into al? The “womb” comment? You’ve said it all before.

At least own it.
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Romeo; If you wish this situation to change, YOU are going to have to change. That's what therapy will help you do.

Right now, you are pouring gasoline on the flames of your mother's personality disorder.
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Her normal is changed when your dad leaves her alone. Why not go upstairs and sit with her when they are separated for appts?
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MeDolly Sep 19, 2024
And encourage more codependency, they are already a mess in that area, what is her mother going to do if the father goes first, is the daughter to sit there and hold her hand 24/7?
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This posting is so sad to read Romeo. Where is your intelligent empathy towards you parents. You mom needing you and I can read so many mind games with your approach and answers to her needs. As we age, which we all will, we will become scared, we will try to ensure we are safe and because we love our family we will want them close. However, I fear your anger towards you mom is counterproductive to her and important you try to change you mindset. Remember your parents will not be without you forever and you may have many regrets to how you have behaved. Treat them with love and kindness and make sure you love and care for them, be tender to them as they become more fragile. Remember, many illnesses as we age will have an impact on the behaviour of our elders and it is sad for me to read unkind words you hold. Please try to be kinder and life will be kinder to you in return.
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waytomisery Sep 19, 2024
What Romeo needs is therapy to learn how to get out from under her mother’s lifelong manipulation and LIFELONG abusive behaviors . The mind games Romeo does she learned from the master , her mother .

It’s counterproductive to Romeo’s mental health to “ change her mindset “ and continue to be at her mother’s beck and call. Romeo has been taken advantage of , abused by, and financially supporting her immature mentally ill mother for decades .

Romeo is in this current situation because she allowed her mother to guilt trip her out of going to AL . Therapy is the answer . People have to earn love and kindness .

Go to therapy Romeo, where you will get GOOD advice , rather than this guilt trip .
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Romeo13: Continue with your therapy.
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I think that you've made your bed. But, you don't have to lie in it - you could get up, open the curtains and start a brand new day.

I don't think you will because you're in a pattern that you don't seem to know how to break. It doesn't have to be this way.

Firstly, please know that you can't change your parents. If you really want to change your life, you have to change yourself.

1) Stop caring about what your mum says to you. She's not annoying you - you're allowing her to annoy you. You have control.

2) Develop some non-commital phrases to answer your mum when she makes comments that you find annoying. Such as:
"Of course!" in an upbeat/surprised tone.
"Really!" in the same tone.
Or just "Okay" or "Oh well" in the same resigned, but not judgemental, tone.
Then say goodbye. Don't elaborate. Don't allow any situation to expand. You have control.

3) Either cut short the neighbours' calls, or don't answer, or block their calls, or change your number. Whatever seems appropriate. But you don't have to have conversations that depress you. You can stop it. You have control.

4) Build boundaries. You live in the same building, but you have your own home and your parents have theirs. When you visit, make sure that it is a visit and that you are a visitor. Their home is not an extension of yours and vice versa. Make yourself aware of this and don't get roped into visiting more than you want to. It's up to you whether you go up to their flat or not, and you don't need to explain yourself. You have control.

5) Don't prop up your parents if they really can't manage in their own home. Your mum sounds as if she's confused and she is becoming afraid. Sorry, I don't know much about you - if she hasn't already been diagnosed, she could have dementia. That would explain her talking about the unlocked door and feeling scared in her own home. If they can't cope without extraordinary measures on your part, you should stop enabling them and help them to be placed somewhere more suitable. You don't have to be their safety net. You have control.

6) Lastly, you need to develop your own life. It shouldn't revolve around your husband; neither of you can foretell the future, so you both need a support network outside your marriage. Get out, join clubs, make friends. Stop fixating on your mother's behaviour and find other things to do with your time. That would also help to break your mum's hold on you. You have control.

We cannot control other people's behaviour, only our reactions to them.
You have control, so take it.
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MiaMoor Sep 25, 2024
I've just read more posts and I don't think that talking sense will make a jot of difference here.

Romeo is her mother's daughter: they're cut from the same cloth. Nothing will change because nobody, not even Romeo, wants it to.
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Hi All, my Dad had kidney stones removed today and I spent time with my mother and then told her I’m going downstairs to do some things. I went up later and gave her dinner and hung out while they were on the phone laughing after my dad’s anesthesia wore off and I was sitting there listening to them while I was exhausted. They sit all day and they really don’t realize that I can be tired??? My mom asked me if I was staying and I told her I’m staying and then leaving and of course she said you can leave in an unpleasant tone. I told them the other day that you treat us like we’re 16 years old and don’t you realize that we could have grandchildren at our age? I’m tired and I have osteoarthritis in every part of my body, severe carpal tunnel and can’t sleep from hot sweats and added joint pain from my anti-cancer meds. Then after that she asked me to clean the glass table and straighten her chairs - I told her NO - that’s crazy - I’m not doing that! I said I just told you I want to go home - I have a home and your mother never did that to you, asking you to clean her table! They also don’t want me to explain something that they asked me a question about - what’s that all about?? My Dad keeps saying it’s the 4 of us and we get along so great and no one is this close blah blah! I really just don’t care anymore - I just want to sit down and read a book. I just want to say - please just leave me alone!

By the way, I told them that when my husband can eat again after he heals from radiation treatment, that I will be eating home with him, watching our movies and I will bring them dinner in a pan and leave. It’s very confusing to hear how nice and caring my mother can be and then when you say Mom my husband is really not feeling well enough to relax up here, she becomes upset - it’s so disturbing, and a lot of posters here are criticizing me of how I’m handling the situation and yet you are or were in the same situation and it took you time to fix it.

Sorry for rambling-I’m emotionally and physically exhausted.
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waytomisery Sep 25, 2024
Grey rock when Mom does the passive aggressive ….” You can leave “ in an unpleasant tone .
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By the way, the reason why I’m so upset is because I’ve been supporting my parents all of my life and spent 7 months driving my mom to and from the hospital everyday to see my Dad 9 years ago. I can’t do this care thing anymore! I’m not even bathing them etc. - it’s more mental stress with them - it’s the “family” thing with them! I just want to be alone! They kept us on the phone for hours ever weekend while they were in Florida and now my mom wants us up there every night! I can’t take this anymore!
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waytomisery Sep 25, 2024
I don’t know how you supported them this long . It’s no wonder you can’t take it anymore.
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I apologize for ranting
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IneedPeace Sep 25, 2024
I thought ranting was what this forum was about! 😀
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Have you made an appointment with a therapist yet ?

Then you also have to actually go to the appointments to start to make a change .

Don’t cancel appts to do something for your parents .
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Romeo, part of getting healthier and finding peace is accepting the fact that , you life is out of control.

I'm glad to hear that you are at that point. How about counseling now?

Might be a good place to start.

For about ten years my parents took over my life. They were the sports years of my boys life. They took my friends over ,they took my children over. I couldn't do anything with out someone in my town telling my parents. I hated those years, and hate talking about them. They where my parents best years of there life, all my mom wants to talk about, is my sons baseball years.

I finally broke away, they disowned me. I'm saying this because some times I get angry at the fact that I let them take those years away from me. In the end I have no one to blame but myself.

As you have no one to blame but you. You need to take your life back. Your parents are going to hate it and be angry. There is nothing you can do the change that.

You need to get therapy on how to get your life back and how to deal with there anger at you for taking your life back!
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Anxietynacy Sep 25, 2024
Just to add therapy can be uncomfortable, it can bring about thoughts and feelings that you don't want to have, things you would rather not accept or remember, but it's the only way to change find peace and get healthier
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Made that therapy appointment yet?
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AlvaDeer Sep 25, 2024
Noting the answer above I can't help but think Romeo is just "funning us".
But, once again, her thread is climbing toward 100 responses (I again hope to be number 100; I, too enjoy games). I think so long as we find her entertaining she will continue to be here for us, therapy or no.
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Thank you once again! I've actually told my parents I need therapy to discuss my PTSD created by my brother, so this will be a good excuse in a way, so I can escape.
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waytomisery Sep 25, 2024
Don’t tell them that , your mother will ask what the therapist said as if you were getting a toothache checked .

Stop telling your parents the truth about your life and start lying and sneaking out like a teenager .
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Romeo,
Maybe your mother and father need some therapy?
Seems to me they never let you leave the nest.
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lealonnie1 Sep 25, 2024
Nobody in this family is getting therapy, who's kidding who? Romeo just wants to keep coming here posting her word for word arguments with her parents with no intention of fixing anything. Then asking, "are they for REAL?"

Since 2015 as Maximus1, in fact, she's been posting these exact types of posts.

https://www.agingcare.com/questions/why-do-my-parents-feel-its-necessary-to-live-with-us-191655.htm?orderby=recent

As far as you saying, "......and a lot of posters here are criticizing me of how I’m handling the situation and yet you are or were in the same situation and it took you time to fix it."

None of us here have been asking for advice for almost a decade now but doing nothing to change our situations at all!! 😑

Yes, this is a place to "vent" but you can't expect to keep getting the same compassionate advice over and over and OVER again because posters get tired of repeating the same old same old. Especially to someone who keeps complaining for nearly 10 years but doing nothing to change her situation.
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You know, Romeo, your question is misnamed. It’s not why your 93 yo mom feels scared in her apartment, it’s why you’re so scared that you are compelled to visit her daily. To negotiate with her and them.

Look, you two are the ones with cancer. Meanwhile, the worst your 96 yo dad has is a kidney stone. What happens when your man retires or is force retired by his law firm? What happens if cancer for either of you resurges?

Do you think your parents would step in to feed you?
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waytomisery Sep 25, 2024
That’s true the parents could outlive Romeo .
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I love all of you and I don't even know any of you. You actually made me laugh out loud at some of your "funny" comments about me. I actually have a great sense of humor, if I may say so myself - so keep it coming!
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Well Romeo, probably no one here sees this as funny besides you.

Will it be funny if dh gets sicker or dies? How about you? The fact you didn’t have children means there’s not a future safety net such as your mom has in you.

Perhaps you find it hilarious that in the event of your and dh’s death, your parents would inherit everything?
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Romeo,

Have you considered to invite your Mother downstairs for some tea?

When she calls, treat her like a friend, tell her you are putting the coffee on, come on over.
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Romeo13 Sep 26, 2024
Yes, I always invite my mother down to my place, it's logistics with her walker and dog - I have spent practically every waking moment with my mom - we bought a house together years ago in Brooklyn, NY and saw them every weekend in their house upstate NY and they lived with us when they rented their apartment and we traveled together to Europe every year - FRIEND??? She's my only friend. She was and is a wonderful mother and person - The problem is NOW.
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Actually, all of you must be social media lovers too if you are responding to this forum for years. If you want to know - I joined Reddit because I needed support about the death of my 15 year Papillon Lucius and you can read about my "dog" life - I had no one to talk to that would understand how deeply crushed I was. Also, you can see Romeo my new Papillon's picture and read about my training struggles with him. Go look at how cute Romeo is, maybe he can put a smile on your faces! Thanks for all of your support and take care!
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BurntCaregiver Sep 26, 2024
Romeo,

I am very sorry about your dog. I know how you feel because the loss of a pet is a crushing experience. You have my condolences on that loss.

You're wrong about the games you continue to play with your parents though.
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