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My brother has financial POA over my 90 year old father. Dad's dementia is getting much worse but he refuses to give up the financial end of things. He is sharp enought to know what checks he gets every month, but often thinks a $400.00 check should be a $4.00 check. Everyday he wants me to drive him to the bottom of the driveway so he can get the mail. He wants to continue paying his bills and depositing checks at the bank. I trust my brother completely with Dad's money as my brother is quite well off and has never done anything even remotely suspicious. Dad puts his incoming checks in a pocket, or worse yet, sometimes in a "safe spot" which of course he forgets. When we go to the bank to cash them he creates quite the scene - I have nearly died of embarrassment when Dad accuses the bank teller of pocketing his money or cashing his checks for the wrong amount. He insists on paying the bills but can't hardly sign his name and can't legibly write the checks out. I want my brother to handle all the monetary things but Dad is so stubborn and combative when it comes to "his" money and no amount of talking is helping. I understand that this is a last bit of independence for Dad, but he is totally not able to deal with his money anymore. I honestly wish he would get to the point where he doesn't remember what his income is or what bills need to be paid, it would be so very much easier. The dementia is turning my father into a non-trusting and mean person. How do I get Dad to turn over his finances to my brother to deal with?

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I would work with your brother to set up direct deposit for cheques and auto pay for expenses - you can tell your father that this is the way the new world works and you don't have any choice in it, you could even send him a fake letter to that effect.
(I'm actually surprised that he still gets cheques in the mail, when it comes to gov't payments it truly isn't an option here anymore)
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I agree with cwillie. Set up online banking and autopay for your Dad's expenses. Your Dad's checks should have been switched to direct deposit ages ago. Getting checks in the mail is a surefire way to have them stolen.
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Judysai422 Jun 2019
Great point. Maybe freqflyer can tell dad there has been a recent surge in mailbox theft and it would be safe to have all income direct deposited just like his social security check. 😊
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Setting up auto pay spounds good but someone has to intercept the bills. Or he will pay them again. Dad is incompetent so POA is in effect. Brother can come in and remove checks and have billings sent to him.
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When my Dad's caregiver started to notice that Dad was starting to toss his current bills into the recycling, she quickly let me know. She fished out all of the bills and handed them to me when I came to visit Dad.

Since I had financial Power of Attorney, I had all the bills forwarded to a new address, my house.

Dad wasn't crazy about auto-pay, and neither was I, but I was lucky that Dad was willing to have my name on his checks, so I could pay his bills. I told him just in case he was in the hospital, I didn't him to have late fees on his bills. He agreed with that... and eventually he forgot about bill paying.

I would monitor his checking account on-line just to be sure nothing out the norm was happening. Also had all of Dad's financial statements going to my house. It wasn't easy trying to get Dad to consolidate all of his accounts to just one bank. There was that fear that the bank would go broke [Dad was from the Great Depression era].

As for funds coming into Dad's checking account, it is all direct deposits which he has been using since direct deposit was first invented, so that was relief. I realize some people want to see the actual check in hand, which is understandable.
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My father went through the same process, having been a VP of Finance for a business.

The steps I took was I told Dad that I would fill out all of the checks for to whom, and for what amount, and I would log the transactions in the register, but only after he approved all the checks going out, against the bills received, and that HE SIGN ALL the checks.

That gave him the security that no one else was spending or taking his money, he had final say by signing every check with his stamp of approval, before the checks went out and the bills got paid.

I made him feel like a Treasurer again. It worked quite well, in his case.
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I took my parents to an attorney to make sure all their affairs were in order, did a power of attorney and HIPAA and then took them to the bank to add me as a beneficiary “just in case’. And manage their bills online, my mom was writing checks and putting them in envelope and I’d take care of mailing them. I discovered quite a few things they were paying for that were bogus and the late fees were through the roof! I got them hundreds of dollars back and stopped the crap...like 3 disability insurance policies, they had 7 different kinds of insurance exceeding $500 a month...they are in their 80’s and retired and def didn’t need disability!
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My mom has gotten late fees because she forgets, or more likely misplaces, bills. Then says she never got a bill. Or blames the bank. I suggested several times putting everything on auto pay. She won't hear of it. She doesn't want anyone having access to her money. Funds is not an issue. She can afford whatever she wants (not that she wants much). She has no debt (she uses a credit card but carries no balance), just everyday expenses and utilities and the like. She doesn't trust auto pay. In her mind, for example, if she were to put her insurance on auto pay, "Jake from State Farm" could get into her bank account and take his family on a nice vacation. She doesn't understand that it isn't a free-for-all for anyone who wants to help themselves to her money.
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amilie Jun 2019
We tried auto pay and somehow, I don't know how, Dad would remember that the gas bill or electric bill hadn't shown up and start worrying like crazy. He skipped the whole computer age and can't begin to understand how you can have bills paid automatically. I tried printing the bill off and showing he owed nothing but he would insist on writing a check and me taking him to the post office to mail! He does have his social security direct deposit & always has, so accepts that. His retirement and other incomes though are a different story. He needs to see that check in his hand and I think it's also an excuse to get me to take him out to the bank. He honestly thinks he is keeping up with the bills, but he has managed to incur late fees, bounced checks and sent checks that couldn't be read - so obviously he is not. I hate to do it but I think we are going to have to insist he give up most of the control. There is so much that I need to handle now with Dad that one less thing to deal with would be wonderful.
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Unless Bro goes to Court to Become, Hun, Dad's Guardian, It probably won't happen. Dad may have Dementia but has enough Common Sense to Imagine that people could be Taking hi smoney, Honey, True or Not, He is Not a Nut. Maybe down the line if Dad tries to Do something to Harm Himself or others, Call Adult Protective Services to Get this Ball Going.......
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Isabelsdaughter Jun 2019
Yes, they will need to declare him incompetent.. Unless he signs over willingly. Which is probably not going to happen. My Dad was like that. He and my brother would scream and yell about it. He let it go.
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Can you grab the checks before you drive him down to the mailbox? Maybe tell him, "Don't you remember, we went to the bank and they are already deposited." If he has a fit he has a fit. You have to do what you have to do.
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gdaughter Jun 2019
and also to add, that as the dementia progresses a bit, dad will not notice the bills are no longer coming, and will not look or ask for the checkbook. When my mom asked something my dad said that I handle all that and have for a long time and that sufficed.
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First your brother isn't POA "over" Dad is is POA for Dad and there is a distinction. Do you know if it is a DPOA? Some states they all are and others both need to be granted individually. The D (durable) is for just what you are talking about, there are hoops to jump through getting the doctor to sign off but once the D kicks in your brother is legally able to take over dad's finances. Now that said I would encourage your brother to try doing things that still give dad the sense of having control, move things slowly. So once a week or month sit down with dad and the bills write out the checks and have dad sign them, let dad be in charge of what checks are written (bro can remind or suggest things that need doing). Maybe make suggestions about recurring payments being set up on-line, say some that dad doesn't scrutinize each month because it will be a load off not to have to remember, then or maybe to start use direct deposit. Many banks offer incentives of some sort to use direct deposit maybe that angle could be used...

It can be very hard and certainly more time consuming than necessary but allowing dad that sense of control and decision making to do the things that you know should be done, will make things easier and safer, really does often work. If he's like my mom at all the more he feels he's loosing control the harder he will dig his heals in but if he decides it's easier to just asked bro to do it even though the outcome is the same dad will give it up much easier and adjust much quicker. It's a lesson we are still learning the hard way about all things not just finances. Good luck!
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my2cents Jun 2019
Good info. I agree. Move the majority of it to debit directly from his bank account and just leave a couple of bills for him to pay. He still has a job to do and may forget about the ones he no longer sees.
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