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My father lived in an assisted living memory care facility for 14 months and recently passed away. He was incontinent and needed constant supervision to not urinate and defecate in various places in the facility, not just his room, the entire time he was there. (Did not have this issue before he moved there) Unfortunately the supervision in this facility was sorely lacking and the carpet in his room was soiled multiple times by both him and other dementia patients who did the same thing-sometimes in his room even! The soiling was rarely cleaned up despite multiple requests and by the time he passed his room smelled strongly of urine and stool. When he passed away the facility kept what they touted as the $1500 “fully refundable” admission fee as well as 2 days of room fees owed back to us for the month he died to replace the carpet. This was never discussed or disclosed that we would be responsible for carpet replacement. My understanding is that assisted living memory care facilities by law are not allowed to keep a resident who has unmanageable incontinence for more than 21 days. He did this for 14 months! We fully expected they would ask us to move him to a nursing home at any time but they never once brought this up as a concern. This facility was not even at half occupancy which leads me to believe they couldn’t afford to lose a resident by their own request. Had they cleaned up after him every time the carpet wouldn’t have needed to be replaced. Isn’t wear and tear on a carpet in a facility like this just the cost of doing business?

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My mom moved about 3 x between IL and MC. It was usual and customary to get a room inspection before releasing the deposit. You should realize that just like a renter who signs a contract for an apartment, they are under the same rules
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They called Moms $2000 deposit a move in fee, I think. It was nonrefunable.

Als are residences that assist people with their daily ADLs. Just like renting an apt. You pay a security depost when you rent and its refundable only if you don't damage something. Your Dad damaged a rug that now needs replacing. If you leave an apt 2 days before the end of the month, you don't get those days refunded. Same with an AL.

When someone pees its not just the carpet that is effected but the mat underneath. No amount of shampooing will get that smell out of the mat. Actually, even if just a rug, no amount of shampooing is going to completely take the smell out. Not fair to the next resident to have to live with it.

To be honest, I am surprised your Dadvwas allowed to stay at this AL. IMO he need more care than they could give. He should have been in LTC.
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They could have kicked your Dad out to a nursing home for unmanageable incontinence but they didn’t . A nursing home would have cost significantly more , yet you complain about $1500 and some other fees.

I find complaining about this ridiculous since they weren’t holding him hostage there. You could have moved him but you didn’t .

You can’t have it both ways. You complain they didn’t kick him out in 21 days to a much more expensive alternative ( nursing home ) but also complain about some cleaning / replacement fees.

Bottom line is you chose to keep him there to avoid the price of a nursing home and are now not wanting to pay these extra fees either.

Consider yourself lucky . Dad got to stay in AL cheaper than a nursing home . And you didn’t have to move Dad and both of you didn’t have to deal with him adjusting again to a new facility.

My husband’s father was in an upscale AL with dementia , refusing help with incontinence and hygiene/showers . We were always worried he would get kicked out and we would have to deal with him blowing up over getting kicked out to SNF . He had the money, that was not the issue. The issue was it would have been a scene if he had to move from his nice apartment . We lost 2 years of sleep . When he passed away 3 months ago we gladly accepted the cleaning and replacement fees.
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1. I first suggest reviewing the contract. I suspect the deposit was fully refundable IF there was no move in. See what it states beyond that. IF it was fully-fully refundable, it would have been more like a pre-payment and you would have been given credit the first month; they would not have kept it as a deposit.

2. Long-term-care, despite how it looks and seems, is still a home rental situation. The apartment or room is the person's home and those laws actually govern many aspects of the situation, even though most owners and managers don't operate that way (they want control beyond what is afforded by the law). So you may want to look to your state's or municipality's laws regarding rental deposits.

3. My guess: The cost for the carpet replacement is legal. However, the 2 days may be sketchy - but challenging it could be more costly than the charge. See 2 above.
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So you're blaming the AL for your father urinating and defecating all over the carpet for 14 months? Had they cleaned it up immediately, w/o even knowing it was happening, they could leave a filthy reeking carpet in place for the next resident. Is that right? You would've preferred dad was kicked out of AL and forced into a SNF at twice the price, all in an effort to save the cost of replacing the carpet in his room? SMH.

Btw, no AL on earth refunds 2 days of unused room fees. And deposits are not "fully refundable" for precisely the reasons you mention. If dad were renting an apartment in Any Town USA, do you think his deposit would be refundable with a destroyed carpet? Of course not. Let common sense prevail.

My condolences on your loss.
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Of COURSE this carpeting must be replaced. This cannot be sufficiently cleaned. Would YOU want to move into a place where the carpeting had been saturated with urine and feces?

I honestly have a hard time believing that this is a real question.
I can only advise you not to take this one before a court.
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Johnsson Apr 14, 2024
Yes the carpet should be replaced. Cleaning and replacing carpets in facilities like these is a constant need. It just seems it’s the owners responsibility, especially considering the cost to live there. My father in law also lived in a facility and his carpet was worn, especially by his chair and high traffic areas, to the point of not coming clean when it was professionally cleaned but he was not charged a dime for replacement when he moved. Based on these early responses I am out of line in my thinking. I guess I thought the reason carpet needs to be replaced shouldn’t matter. If investors care about the cleanliness of their buildings they replace carpet when needed as part of operating costs. And there are no plans to take this to court. Just looking for other’s thoughts. Thank you :)
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