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My father is currently at a rehab. He has good upper body strength and can stand, but is very unsteady when walking with a walker. We have one week left at this rehab, and I'm trying to decide which type of transfer equipment would be best.


He will be returning home to live with my 80 y/o mother with home health assistance. The rehab has recommended a Hoyer lift for transfers, as it is safer. I am afraid that he will then likely lose some of the strength he has.


My father is at the stage that he prefers to do the least amount of work. He prefers to poop in his diapers and have someone wipe him vs. get assistance to go to the bedside commode. Not sure which route to go when trying to transfer him.

If you are expecting an 80 year old woman to help dad with transfers using a Hoyer lift and changing dirty briefs, think again! Unless you hire in home aides full time, Medicare home health is pretty useless. Mom needs lots of help with dad at home, or dad needs to stay in skilled nursing until he can toilet himself and be steady on his feet. The point of rehab is to get rehabilitated to the point where the patient doesn't need a Hoyer lift to transfer with at home. If he does, managed care is a better and safer option. That he prefers to poop in a diaper and have his wife wipe him is a big red flag for returning home!

Good luck.
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PeggySue2020 Feb 19, 2025
Home aides who are actually competent with a Hoyer are rare, and at least in the beginning, you would need two as are standard in facilities.
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Follow the directions of the rehab. They are professionals who are evaluating your dad every day. They know better than you do what it's going to be like when he gets home.

Also, the stage where your father is may be where he stays, or lower. What you are telling us - "he prefers to poop in his diapers" - is a big red flag. That is not likely to change. The home health assistance you're planning may not be enough. For instance, if he goes home as a two-person transfer, will you be able to have two trained people be to be there all the time? A Hoyer lift is a piece of machinery that you can't learn while swinging an 88-year-old man around in it!

If you and mom are thinking that you want to be with him to assist or to change his diapers, okay, but be aware that you will get tired of that really really fast. Especially as you will be wanting him to get better so he can take a bigger part in his recovery, and he will literally be unable to do that. You may resent this and become impatient with him.

I see a skilled nursing facility in your dad's future. I'm sorry, but that's how these situations usually go.
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If he can stand with a walker, he should be practicing bed to bedside commode transfers. This should be fairly simple and safe unless I’m missing something. Also, if you’re concerned about his inactivity and he insists on using his brief for bowel movements, tell him he has to be able to stand for you to clean him and change them. Is he in a true rehab or a skilled nursing facility? From what you’ve told us it doesn’t make sense to use a Hoyer lift. I would also be questioning a return home unless you are planning on many caregiver hours.
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At the next care planning meeting, you need to say that in order for this to be a safe discharge your mom needs to be willing and they need to do a home assessment to see if it is safe. Dad who is incontinent and still unsteady needs some introspection. Do you really expect an 80 year old to continue butt wiping, maneuvering his body onto the seat , get him lifted and transfered on his own? This could be a 2 person job.
By saying he is unsafe, you can ask if he still qualifies to remain in rehab until such time as he gets his act together or he might be looking at a future of LTC. In the right instances, he can remain up to 100 days but there will be a daily upcharge which the social worker can determine from the type of insurance he has.
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JeanLouise Feb 28, 2025
For Dad to remain for up to 100 days, he will need to cooperate in PT/OT and show progress. I cannot imagine his 80 yr old wife being able to safely manage his needs. Even 24/7 paid help is a tall order. Placement is the most practical solution.
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I would caution you against bringing him home in his current condition.

He is not likely to improve. He will only become more dependent. Especially if he's at a point now where he'd rather poop in his diaper and let someone else take care of him. He's beyond willing to try and get stronger, more independent.

Unless you can hire 2 caregivers 24 hrs a day, he should not be at home, where your mother will end up struggling with his needs.
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JeanLouise Feb 28, 2025
It will likely be the end of mom. An 80 yr old wrangling a grown (soiled) man in a Hoyer? How will she bathe him?
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This is very specific to your father.
Rehabs are beholden under laws to hold discharge planning conferencing that includes family members/caregivers prior to discharge.

Call the Social Worker or Discharge planner today and ask to be included in a session in which prior to discharge safe transfers are discussed and demonstrated. Let them know this is crucial to home care. You can learn a lot on "safe transfer to chair" from youtube and bing videos, but you really need hands on. And an understanding of how some tippy equipment can actually constitute another hazard.

Wishing you the best of luck.
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As someone who worked in home care and LTC as a PT I agree with the above answers. There are many red flags here. A hoyer lift requires a great deal of space too. I would not recommend such a piece of equipment without doing a home visit. At PACE, we sent more people home with stand-aid lifts. Every new aid had to be trained with it even though they werre supposed to be trained as part of their hiring. Home care turnover is very high. As someone who was /is a caregiver for a family member, taking care of someone at his level will age both of you a great deal.
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There seems to me that there is something wrong with your father-in-law. I am 90 years old. I had a hip replacement 5 weeks ago. I have been out of rehab for 10 days. No one in the entire place uses a Hoyer lift to transport from bed to potty chair. He needs to be evaluated for some mental problems. I can't imagine a man wanting to poop in his pants.
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cover9339 Feb 28, 2025
Maybe the wiping after the BM is tiring to him.
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I am sorry about your dad. Hoyer lift is an excellent choice. Hospice Care was able to transfer my mom so easily. They lose mobility at the end of their lives. My dad had hip replacement surgery, but PT could not get my dad back to his walking self. The anesthesia is very strong and causes post operative cognitive dysfunction for elderly patients past the age of 80. Not everyone knows that until after the surgery.
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I used both. Not at the same time, started with the Sit to Stand and as my Husband declined we had to go to the Hoyer Lift.
If your dad has good strength in his legs and is able to support himself then the Sit To Stand is in my opinion easier. the belt/harness is easier to put on and attach to the equipment. With the Hoyer the sling can be involved and awkward to put on.

If the Rehab has BOTH pieces of equipment let them demonstrate both and allow you to try them. They may not allow you to try them with him or anyone in or on it but you would get the idea.
If you go with the Hoyer Lift get 2 slings a MESH SHOWER sling and a SPLIT LEG sling. I think that was easier than the full body sling. Again that was my opinion of all the slings I tried.
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