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My father is in his early 70s, and after a fall in home and hospital stay, he was diagnosed with mild cognitive impairment due to some short-term memory issues. Our family additionally ran the full spectrum of testing — MRI of the brain, 4 hr neurological testing and evaluation, and even non-FDA blood tests — which all point to early Alzheimer’s.


Mentally, he is still very sharp and has been recommended for assisted living by his neurologist and the director of the senior living facility after an evaluation.


However, due to history of alcoholism, our family is split, with two children pushing for memory care and the other two siblings suggesting assisted living with precautions such as a GPS tracker, limiting spending, and no driving.


Memory care seems like an overreach, as he has articulated his desire not to live there. He unfortunately does want to continue to drink, which will advance his disease.


Not sure how to handle this difference of opinions between family members. It’s already driving a wedge. Also not even sure putting him in memory care against his will is legal at this point…

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Memory care if there is a safety risk or they wander off and need to be in a secured location. Assisted living if these are not happening yet and they need help with daily tasks and care. We have our parents in assisted living facility with a memory care option for when it is time to move them.
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If he is mentally very sharp, what is he doing that would need him to go into managed care? Could he be better off with a part time caregiver at his house and maybe senior day time care during the day?

My Mom was diagnosed with MCI and she lived independently for years before I came to be with her. You will need to take away the car, if he shows any sign of not being able to be mentally responsible or coordinated.

For us, after looking at what was available for assisted living and memory care, the only reason for memory care is flight risk, and at some point, all the add-ons for assisted living was more expensive than memory care.

For my Mom, when I went on respite care, she was in assisted living, primarily because she was a fall risk. Assisted living was just like independent living, except there was medication management, bed time checks, and the assurances she did not leave the facility by herself and that people would be more available if she fell. Otherwise, the range of "alertness" between the residents of assisted living were huge. Whereas in Memory Care, no one there had the capability of making or sustaining friendships.

It sounds like you are maybe looking as Assisted Living or Independent Living. However, the facility will end up making the final decision.

When my Mom was mentally alert, it was very difficult to find a managed care home that would be "right" for her, so we paid for in-home care and I was with her much of the time (tearing my hair out and oh so thankful for daytime senior care 5-6 days a week).
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The overruling point is that he is “very sharp” or at least with it enough to realize if he’s being caged with a bunch of people who are not with it at all.
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Decide which facilities you would like to explore, then allow the care home to recommend the level to you. Ask a lot of questions.

My understanding is that levels of care is not a tightly regulated guideline. What one home thinks is memory care is another center's higher level of assisted living.

What you do need to find is a home that you feel has the amenities, activities, the ambiance, the food, and the rules that you as a family can live with. When something goes not as expected, you need to be a united front to determine what to do about it.

Also you may have to make a decision of "what happens if he gets worse" or "what happens in case of emergency"? Will they let him stay in that center? Do you want to move him? Will they force you to move him?

I would only look at places that have both Memory Care and Assisted Living, otherwise you might be trying to find another place for him when his current facility will no longer provide the care.
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Start with asking the doctor if your loved one is still competent to make decisions for himself. If he is, then he should move into assisted living and sign agreement to live according to the standards of the facility. If he is not mentally competent, then whoever has POA must make that decision for him. If your loved one has not designated a POA, then check with doctor or social services for the rules on decision-making for your location. Usually, spouse gets POA. If no spouse, then all competent adult children get POA. Some states mandate that ALL children must agree on decisions. Other states mandate that MAJORITY of children must agree on decisions. Doctor or social services should be able to let you know what rules apply where your loved one lives.
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Wickedtuna: Perhaps the larger issue at hand is his alcohol use, i.e. to abruptly stop would be dangerous.
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Wickedtuna Feb 13, 2025
He's actually been sober for several months (forced sobriety through memory care). Does not show any interest in giving it up, if he were to have the chance.
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I think it would be best to choose an Assisted Living that also has Memory Care available in the same facility. If he isn’t a wandering risk, yet, and he doesn’t have other behaviors that are unmanageable in AL, then he isn’t ready for MC, yet. He would be very lonely and very bored in MC. In AL there will be lots of other residents on the same cognitive level for him to make friends with, eat meals with, do activities with, etc.

But you will want to be able to move him to MC when the time comes, so having both levels of care available in the same facility is beneficial.

Also, AL is generally less expensive than MC, so he will be able to spend a bit less on care while he can still live in AL.

He will continue to drink. There is not much you can really do about that in AL. It’s honestly kind of beside the point at this time of his life, anyway. (He has to both want to change and be able, cognitively, to consistently make the choices necessary to change, for him to truly be in recovery with his addiction. It’s possible that he is capable of those choices right now, but his declining cognitive ability will soon render him incapable of continuing to make those choices.)

I’m sorry for what you guys are going through. These decisions are soooooo stressful. Minus the alcoholism, I went through them with my mom. Moving her to AL was the hardest thing I have ever done, because she did not want to go, but she was no longer safe to live independently. After about 2 years in AL, she started wandering and got lost outside twice, and family and staff had to find her and bring her back. So she had to move to MC. I thought that would be another hellish move, but it turned out to be 100 times easier because her cognitive abilities had declined so much. She has been in MC for 8 months, now, and she has no idea that she isn’t still in AL.

I wish you courage and comfort as you decide on your dad’s living arrangements.
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WickedTuna, I see where you mentioned that some siblings don’t agree with assisted living and suggest memory care. By having dad go through evaluation at every facility you apply for, they will tell YOU where he qualifies to go. They won’t put someone in memory care that doesn’t need it. They use a whole scaling system to determine that. So really, the choice isn’t up to any of you, but the facility’s decision. My mother in laws primary suggested assisted living, however, her evaluation determined she needed memory care on a locked unit. Also, bring this question up with dads primary or whoever it was that said assisted living and how half the siblings agree and the other half want memory care. Also tell that to the facilities you apply at. You might feel better knowing the decision isn’t really in your hands
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So, I am an alcoholic in recovery. I’m now 40, and I used alcohol for about 25 years. I was a terrible black out, drink when I first wake-up in the morning, everyday drinker. With a couple years of sobriety about 2 or 3 different times during that 25 years. Alcohol is scary. What’s even more scary is coming off of it. It’s one of the few substances that you truly need to medically detox from, as people have died from going cold turkey without assistance. If your loved one is an alcoholic to the extent I was, I highly suggest to talk to his primary doctor about medical detox and if it’s something that your dad needs. It is SO much easier and safer to detox in a treatment facility. It takes about 5-7 days, with some people needing 10 days. They use comfort medications to ease you through it. Now, detoxing off the alcohol takes care of the physical addiction. Dad will probably have the mental addiction for it, which is tough. I have no idea how it would be for someone of your dad’s age. I have seen people in their 50s and 60s kick the problem with continuing on with their recovery (aa meetings and/or therapy, etc…) however, I have also seen people go to detox and never drink again that don’t do AA or therapy. Each person is so different. It could be possible that he detox safely and go from the detox facility straight to assisted living/memory care.
As for the memory care, dad would have to qualify for the memory care unit as it is usually for more advanced dementia/ cognitive problems. Assisted living sounds right for dad at this stage, BUT, he could still gain access to alcohol by walking or getting a ride to the store. I’m pretty sure in some assisted living places that alcohol is acceptable to have. So that would be my worry with assisted living. Maybe dad shouldn’t drive anymore and gps sounds like a good safe idea. I’m sure at some point as his disease progresses and he has more severe decline, he will eventually really need memory care unit. *When touring these places, be sure to ask that if dad becomes immobile, will he still be able to stay at their facility and they take care of him when he becomes immobile. Some places don’t do that! So I was taught that very valuable question to ask! It sounds like your siblings and you are working as some sort of a team. Which doesn’t happen very often. So that’s great. I hope you guys find your answer soon. I wish yall the best!
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My father was an alcoholic and a smoker and I moved him into assisted living. The Assisted Living Facility did not allow drinking or smoking. That did not stop him....he thought if he cracked a window no one would be the wiser. He also took up with one of the housekeepers and paid her to bring him alcohol. When I confronted the Facilities Director, their staff said I brought him the cigarettes and alcohol, which was obviously not true. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I walked away from him and his destructive behavior. He ended up moving into a seedy apartment and continued to drink and smoke until he had a bad stroke. I was called and met with the neurologist managing my dads care and I was asking about nursing home options and what not and he flat out looked at me and said "he has been trying to kill himself his entire adult life and you keep trying to stop him. Do you think he would want to live the rest of his life in a nursing home bed unable to walk or talk or eat?" I made the decision to pull the plug. My dad was 68 when he passed.

My point in telling you this story is so you know I can relate to what is happening with your dad. If he still has some of his faculties and it sounds like he does, your dad is going to be able to circumvent the rules of assisted living, but it sounds like that is where he needs to start. Dementia is not a one stop shop situation....it is constantly changing. If you move him to a memory care nursing home at this stage, he will be miserable and fight you every minute of the day. In my opinion, based on what you have told us, he is not ready for a memory care nursing home. If your sibling don't agree, have them visit a couple of them.
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You're right... If his memory is not impaired to the point that his judgment is affected and he cannot make decisions well, it is not legal. As a former healthcare provider I believe that assisted living is appropriate for him at this time. Make absolutely sure that the assisted living facility knows his limitations. They will keep a close eye on him and if at a time he becomes inappropriate for an assisted living facility they will make recommendations for true memory care. Which as you know is a lockdown facility. They need to know about his alcoholism so that they can watch for signs of alcohol withdrawal and treat appropriately according to whoever his health care provider will be at the facility. Withdrawal symptoms can be very dangerous for the elderly.
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Brandee again. I will add that in my town. If you were an alcoholic, you were not eligible to live in the better facilities you could only live in a facility on the bad side of town.

Be careful with what you and your family share with administration of facilities.

In general alcoholics are considered to be more troublesome residents.
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My Dad was also an alcoholic.

I would recommend the assisted living. It sounds like Dad still has a lot of cognition. The memory care will be problematic as drinking will not be allowed.

He will have access to alcohol in assisted living.

My dad was also alcohol free in the hospital after a fall. He went through pretty serious withdrawal. He then was sent to a rehab for six weeks and did not have access to alcohol. He was meaner than a snake during that period.

i’d recommend the assisted living with no vehicle. Let him manage his own money. I wouldn’t even restrict his money.

If you haven’t been to Alon, you may want to go to Alanon for yourself.

I would not overthink the situation. Alcoholics are going to do what they’re going to do.
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Wickedtuna Feb 13, 2025
Thank you Brandee. My sibling and I feel the same, but others the family say it’s irresponsible to go the assisted living route.

What is sad is that if and when an accident happens in assisted living it will be a lifetime of “I told you so” from the other side of the family.
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Taking someone abruptly off alcohol can be dangerous. He would need to be detoxed first to prevent delirium tremens or dt's. This is a tricky situation. I've had clients with dementia and drinking problems. There is a dementia called Weirnicke Korsakoff that is caused by drinking. Since your father still has some wits about him, he still has some say about where he wants to be placed.

There is a such thing as mixed dementia meaning more than one type of dementia can be at play here. I wouldn't rule the alcoholism out as a cause of memory problems.

If he goes into an assisted living, he may still gain access to alcohol and rent a car. Assisted living is not like being in lock down or a jail like environment. Clients can come and go as they wish depending upon their mobility and other health constraints.

I had a client that was totally out of it one day, and the best I could do during that shift was to make sure he didn't fall and crack his head open.
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How does the alcoholism affect his behavior? Will he be disruptive to the other residents, or keep it to himself?

Is he willing to give up driving? Can you keep enough restrictions on him that he won't, for example, rent a car and cause an accident?

Make sure you're all honest with the staff about what his alcoholism involves so they won't be caught off-guard and not recognize the need to intervene if a problem arises.
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MC isn’t meant to used to keep someone sober. Let him go to AL and see how it goes. Most have happy hours and I’ve found that taking something away just means that they’ll get someone there to get it for them. Accept that there is only so much you can do to stop someone from drinking themselves to death.
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I'm going to side with the siblings who suggest assisted living with precautions.

If AL is what is recommended, and is a good fit for him now, and he is capable of making his own choices, then you really have no reason to try and force something else.

But, because his condition will continue to deteriorate, I agree with a GPS tracker, take away any vehicle, so he can't drive.
If he's on board with the decision, he could name someone to take control of his finances, and allow him a debit card with a limited amount of funds available for his personal spending.
You can not control another person's decisions and life choices.

You may feel that preventing him access to alcohol is in his best interest. But, what do you have in your life that you wouldn't want another family member taking away from you because they don't agree with it? No one in history has been able to stop an alcoholic from drinking. And yes, it will probably kill him.
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As you know, Assisted Living and Memory Care facilities do their own evaluations of prospective residents. You already have recommendations for Assisted Living. Tell your family members who want Memory Care that their preferences won’t prevail.

I wish you luck in finding a good place for him.
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Memory Care Assisted Living is a last resort. I'd go with AL and if dad chooses to drink himself to an earlier death, so be it. Nobody tries to prolong the life of a senior with Alzheimer's and dementia anyway. If and when AL can no longer manage him, then they'll let you know it's time for Memory Care.

Good luck.
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Sort of the exact situation my deceased brother faced with his partner. He went into assisted living. He eventually did have to go to memory care, but only after he became aphasic. He was diagnosed with alcoholic encephalopathy versus early Alzheimers.

A warning. They WILL get alcohol and his mode was to go on the bus to the Walgreens for huge bottles of Listerine while he could. Soon couldn't do that and was in a locked (but still ALF) cottage. But took all the mouthwash he could find of any kind.
There's a reason you see Listerine on the end aisles in the stores in huge bottles, and that reason isn't that we suffer pandemic bad breath.

So very sorry. Try the easier way, and try to do it someplace where they also have memory care. A good facility will be your guide. Best of luck. If this is early Alzheimer's it can progress very quickly.
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Has he been tested for Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome? This is a vitamin deficiency commonly suffered by alcoholics that produces dementia-like symptoms. If caught early and the deficiency is addressed and the symptoms may improve. But the person needs to choose sobriety after or it will just return.

You can start with a good AL and the admissions person will assess whether he is a candidate for AL or MC. If he's a flight risk then he's definitely going to be in MC. But is he doesn't have an assigned PoA and it isn't activated, then he will be calling all the shots. He probs won't go into AL either.

If he does have a PoA then this person now needs to read the PoA docs to see what activates the authority. This person should get the dementia diagnosis on their clinic letterhead and signed by the doctor, stating they have sufficient impairment that now requires the advocacy of the PoA.

Even if the PoA is active, you will still have a heck of time getting a physically uncooperative adult to move.
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Wickedtuna Feb 9, 2025
Thanks you. He’s been on B7/thymine supplements for 5 months and forced sobriety in memory care, but still having short term memory issues.

He has a very general POA “if unable to make my own health care decisions”. The facility recommends AL but family members have pushed for memory care for the alcohol reason.
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