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He has End-stage Liver disease. He is sound, clear and lucid and has made his wishes known to the hospital, and nursing facility staff. He has switched his Med POA from one of his sons (he has 6!) to me, with his son as secondary. We have been together nearly 2 beautiful years. We currently live in separate states, but prior to him falling ill, we were planning on me moving to his state and living together. I was recently caring for him the past 7 weeks, and then he was admitted to the hospital; he was diagnosed, Palliative Care then transferred him to a skilled nursing facility (SNF) and he's most likely going to be discharged in the next week. Well, what I thought was super good relations with his family (he has 6 sons) snowballed in the past few weeks to ugliness where I was fearing for my safety (have 2 Police incident reports and a Civil Assist to retrieve my belongings from my guys home) as they literally ran me out of the house, and accusations, and spin doctoring goes rampant throughout the family. I'm shocked and my guy is embarrassed about the rude behavior his sons are showing. He just didnt have the strength to force the issues. And now as we're facing me being his caregiver, it's important we be proactive.My concerns: I want to ensure I'm protected from their ugliness. Because it is verbal abuse, and harassment at this point...not strong enough to make arrests! (Like I have to be assaulted? Before the Police can do anything?) I'm unable to get a Protective order because no physical assaults have yet occurred. I've consulted a lawyer who told me to record, and document situations. He owns his home, only name on his house Deed, he is registered owner of his car. And he does have a Living Trust in place. He loves his family of course, but their behavior is inexcusable. I feel, I need to have him Notarize his current wishes with a Caregiver contract, and ensure updated Medical POA is in place and its up to him to update his revocable Trust if he desires. What other guidance should I follow, to ensure this scenario be legitimate and sound. Short of us getting married, or civil union in his state, how can we remain focused on his health, where it should be, instead of the stresses that could only hurt and affect him tremendously. Before I get ready to fly there in the next few days, his Case Worker said that because he's of sound mind, his wishes are valid and there's little his family can do. I'm not interested in anything but ensuring his comfort and following all medical protocol during this time. He is not paying me for my time as his caregiver, he has promised to pay my airfare, pay my pet sitting costs, and all expenses while I'm there for him, for us including use of his car for grocery shopping, meds, appointments, errands, etc. Besides listing this, does he have to list a rate of pay? Meanwhile, I suggested once we have this in place, a mediation meeting with us with his family to show he should be the primary concern...and enough of this noise. We're all on the same team and hoping they realize how it's affecting their father. The continued bad behavior is pointless. Any other suggestions or areas we should address? Thanks in advance.

You have only known him for 2 years and during that time did not even live in the same state. If it were me, I would resign the PoA and allow his sons to care for him. You, as their Dad's "out of state" GF probably only looks like an opportunistic gold digger to them, partly because you've had no relationship with them and partly because he's assigned you authority to manage everything, including finances, which I'm certain is a main concern to his sons. Why doesn't your BF want and of his sons to be his PoA? Are they out of town? Incompetent?

Later-in-life blended families have lots of problems with trust. The more you insist on inserting yourself (even though your BF wants this) the worse it will be with his sons. Is your BF terminally ill? What's his prognosis? You say he's "only" going to compensate you for travel and pet sitting, but what if his illness and your caregiving/management drags on? How will you support yourself without financial help from him?

The reality is no mediation is going to fix the mistrust and resentment that your presence creates, rightly or wrongly. I've known my husband for 48 years, married for 42. You having a long-distance relationship for 2 years means you barely know your BF. If you want to find a middle ground with his sons, then consider stepping aside as PoA but offering your help and support with their Dad since you're willing and your BF wishes to have it. You can still be compensated for related expenses.

I realize this probably isn't the answer you were expecting, but my husband is from a blended family and the drama, mistrust and tribalism can go on and on.
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I seriously doubt mediation will be successful. Please try to consider this from the viewpoint of the sons as someone they don’t know or have years of relationship with has suddenly come on the scene attempting to take over their father’s care. Don’t underestimate what you’re biting off here, the caregiving will become intense, round the clock, and exhausting, all in a place you’re unfamiliar with and without family support. You may get taken to court as well. I hope you’ll reconsider
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I now see that you did post he has end-stage liver disease. Was he an alcoholic? Just asking because if so, he may have Wernicke-Korsakoff dementia (aka "wet brain"), which alcoholics get from long-term vitamin deficiency. He is no longer treatable for this, IF this is his issue.

I'm also only mentioning about WK dementia because this would impact his decision-making. You stated he is "sound, clear and lucid" but everyone on this forum who has dealt with LOs with dementia know that it starts very subtly and spotilly and then gradually over time becomes more obvious. Many new participants on this forum will say exactly what you said. And they are most of the time mistaken because they're just at the beginnig of their journey with impaired LOs.

Please consider this possibility, although it may be difficult.
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The family is rightfully concerned as their dad’s long distance relationship has now moved in and is calling the shots with mpoa.

They are probably worried you will lay claim to their inheritance. And if you’re not, this is the time to have a conversation about it.

My late uncle had a caregiver/gf living with him for two years. She was paid 1500 a month in addition to living expenses. At Uncle’s funeral wake, she made the mistake of telling guests “welcome to OUR house” and compounding this by stating to family that uncle wished her to continue living there and being paid indefinitely.
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Isthisrealyreal Feb 25, 2025
Peggy, her post states...it is up to him to update his revocable trust...she is obviously planning on getting whatever she can to even say that.
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I can understand why the alarm bells are going off for his 6 sons.

You say, we have been together nearly 2 beautiful years, uh, no you haven't, you live in different states, that isn't together.

Now that he is dying you show up, become MPOA and state,...it is up to him to update his revocable trust...not on my watch you wouldn't.

I would do everything in my power to stop you from taking care of my dad and manipulating him to take what he has. Guaranteed he is not fully of sound mind to be alienating his sons on his death bed because of you.

If you really care and want to be there, you should sign legal paperwork that you will only receive caregiver pmt at the market rate and absolutely nothing else, you will give up any and all authority granted through POAs, otherwise you look like a gold digger at a grave.

Sorry if this is harsh but, what you describe is utterly gut wrenching to read and does not put a good light on you at all.
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2 years, long distance, does not a "relationship" make.

How many times in those 2 years, PRIOR to him becoming so terribly ill, were you together in person? In that time, did you ever even meet his sons?

Sorry, I can't quite figure out if you're a gold digger who is hoping for a financial windfall or just a glutton for punishment. Because a woman in her 60's who is willing to go and care for someone she is neither related nor married to (thereby ensuring no financial rights whatsoever) in another state, feeling that she might need a GD order of protection to be able to do the caregiving (!!) - well, let's just say that's not what a reasonable person would be looking to do.

As for you saying you're "all on the same team" - well, clearly that's not how his children see it, right or wrong. And there is, frankly, no way to be able to convince them otherwise. The only thing that might convince them would be time- as in the more time they spend with you, perhaps they will come to feel differently. But unfortunately, it seems like this man doesn't really have time in his favor.

If you're not someone looking to fleece this guy, then the only thing I will suggest is to go back to your home and continue the relationship as it has been - long distance, with visits. Because 6 against 1 are not very good odds, and you will be setting yourself up for a lot of problems if you are legitimately looking to take care of this fellow.
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I agree with notgoodenough.
I think that you are not going to do well with this situation. You say you have been together two years, but you HAVEN'T been together.
End stage liver disease gets very ugly very quick, and I can promise you that as an RN. The medications given to attempt to control the toxicity and the confusion/delusions often leads to horrific diarrhea. In fact, until the only assurance it is "working" so to speak is this horrible emptying.
Are you an RN? At least a CNA? And what will happen when the confusion comes? Who do you suppose they will blame?
I think that this is not good at all with a family that is so far this verbally outspoken and violent about the situation.

You have a life, pets, a living situation, I am assuming a job where you are.
Almost anything you can imagine getting in order to give care, control of finances, care contract, etc. will likely be overridden by this family as soon as any confusion sets in.
They will have a good case to be made that as soon as there was a dire diagnosis you "swooped in and took over finances". There's six of them and they sound very unwelcoming. At the very LEAST you would require their help, relief and support; instead you may end very afraid of them.

Don't do this. Tell your loved one he needs now to rest upon the support of his family. Visit as often as you can. Be supportive, suggest you are there to help the sons if they call on you, encourage placement in are when it is needed.
That's my advice, but you must do as you think best for your own lives.
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There is nothing in this for you except pain and more pain and possibly legal action against you. I believe this "boyfriend" is taking advantage of you, and besides that, he does not seem to have the characteristics of a boyfriend. Two years "together" but you weren't; you rushing to his state to take care of him for weeks; planning to move in together but that's only your say-so; his kids don't like you; WOW. Has he ever mentioned marriage? You're not even engaged? Does he regard you as his mistress (not unusual in situations like this)?

He must be very sick, and he may be playing his cards very close to his chest. Since you're not married and have no responsibility for each other at all, please stay home with your pets. Tell him you'll pray for him and his family, talk to him on the phone and tell him you love him, and plan a nice vacation where he won't be. If the man really loved and respected you, and if you really knew what caregiving a person in his condition actually meant, you'd have been married by now with all the protection that affords. The fact that you're not tells me all I need to know. I'm sorry, OP.
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Wow! Yes, I truly, never expected the responses shown so far. Yes, I may be out of state, "long distance" a 1 hr 40 min flight away. I, we, have seen each other every month of our relationship! Plus he was visiting me 3-4 weeks at a time...Plus he cared for me for 5 weeks at his insistance, when I had knee replacement surgery; 6 weeks in Aug- September 2024, and 7 weeks, Dec - February 2025. Plus every day we are not physically together, we are always talking on phone, or video chatting. I'm also stating that relations were great (we went golfing several times with his sons) and family dinners, parties- I was welcomed and I felt love. His End-stage diagnosis came 2 weeks ago & I feel this is their reaction to such. His Living Trust, was already signed and in place, back in October, just after I left. I don't understand why comments declare me a "gold digger" as I have a great job, my own assets, & heck...even when I can retire, my benefit amounts will be higher than his. We have discussed Marriage, and he asked me to move in with him, he even discussed a ring...so to say, I'm a gold digger, interested in his monies is absolutely ludicrous. I am not taking over the show! I am, however, a take charge, intelligent woman. His sons are emotionally immature, and don't ask any questions from Dr's or nurses, or any case/social worker. My boyfriend has listed me as his Medical POA as he feels I'm more capable of understanding the talks as I do come from a Medical background with many Dr's, Nurses, Admins, case workers, from all disciplines in the Medical arena. I'm not sure how it got construed, but I am not in charge of his personal finances at all. I was simply designated as a Primary contact to discuss his Medical Condition to receive updates. I have the understanding & can relay that Medical information in plain English as needed.
I know the family is hurting. I hate that there is strife amongst the brothers. One son was told a little bit of the Trust information, which set off a greedy firestorm thereafter amongst each other, & I seem to be the scapegoat. I am going to support my boyfriend, why do you people think he is using me? I really don't see how but then again, what he wishes, what I choose to act upon, are solely our choices. He has said, he is not trusting 1 son as somehow, that son, is scrutinizing all his money transactions which my boyfriend doesn't know how or why he has access. He is regaining his strength to the point he will address this with his bank. And, did his sons even figure, I utilized my own funds for some transactions (groceries, gas, home supplies). My boyfriend offered to pay my petsitting fees, as he wanted to since I was helping him. I'm kinda surprised that the tone of responses were strong & I can appreciate your opinions - we're all entitled...but honestly, I thought responses would have been more helpful. To say that I am being judged, is a harsh reality. I may be 2 yrs with the man, but honestly, I am a Widow, who was married for 32 yrs until he passed from another chronic Disease, COPD. I was my late husband's caregiver straight for 4 years. I understand that 2 years comparatively seems short. But if my boyfriend is sound, clear and lucid - distrustful of his own sons, that is new family dynamics that suddenly occurred upon his diagnosis. I'm sorry folks I honestly didn't expect the reaction here, & will continue to be proactive to protect all my actions & my safety to the best of my ability. I do not have control, nor coerce my boyfriend's decisions. I am sincere, supportive & loving as I can & am sincere! I may mistakes as we are all human...I do not need his monies, nor anything else but his love and care he has truly shown me. I end with, it will be a struggle. But that's what 2 people do in a committed loving relationship - good times, bad times & stressful, chaotic times. I just want him calm & peaceful to the end! He says due to their actions, he wants to adjust his Living Trust...not me
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Geaton777 Feb 25, 2025
I don't think responders are saying you are a gold digger but rather that what's currently going on seems to be causing his sons to think you are one. This may be due to their greed over a perceived threat to an assumed inheritance. Money can change people, mostly for the worst. After your BF passes, you may be left with 6 lawsuits contesting whatever changes went on during your watch. Just go into it with your eyes open, that it will be "worth it" on a mental and emotional level.
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Make sure you Have Power of attorney so you can grocery shop and have Money you will need to care for him . Forget Mediation with his sons . Your seen as a Threat for some reason .
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Somewhere in other's responses it was suggested that you leave your boyfriend in the care of his sons and you keep visiting when you can, which seems like the most peaceful and safe way to go for everyone. It's evident you're very caring, and extended that generously to your late husband, and now not too many years later to the newer fellow in your life. Your current intentions are commendable, but simply not necessarily smart or in anyone's best interest. My guess is your boyfriend has very limited time to live, which by the way, I've very sorry for your situation and his. Why not make your final weeks/months together those of as much happiness as possible? Leave his constant care to his sons and nursing facilities, and you be his visiting "love and support". Your boyfriend isn't thinking about all the emotional upheaval which will be brought upon you two by his sons if you are appointed in charge. I suggest making your role in the unfortunate matter about LOVE and SUPPORT, not control or the need to make sure every T is crossed and I dotted in his care. He is dying....make keeping the PEACE and his COMFORT the priority, so you and his sons can all come together in harmony during his final days. You take the high road.... let his children handle the brunt of things. Believe me, I'm thinking about YOU with my outlook... you will have enough stress and sadness through this and will need cooperation and support from his children ultimately. PEACE will become very necessary over the weeks/months... and you can control that by showing his kids you're willing to step back a bit for everyone's sake and still have the time together with you boyfriend during your visits. Your boyfriend's caregiving of you 2 times in the last year were different. Your needs were not as intense as his will be and you didn't have 6 children creating havoc around you then. Don't compare the two efforts.... they're worlds apart.
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Based on a friend’s experience, I’d suggest that you and your partner get married ASAP – if you both want that. If you don’t, the family call the shots. My friend (with a much longer close loving relationship, but also with separate apartments) wasn’t even permitted to go to the funeral. He was comfortably off, and his brother's family wanted the lot, even after years of estrangement. She didn't 'want to seem grasping', genuinely wasn't, got nothing, but was treated as though she was the enemy only out for number 1.
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End stage liver disease is a very ugly way to die. Why would you want to take over this man's care now and get MPOA when he has 6 sons who do not want you to? They will create more chaos and upset for you in addition to the chaos and upset you'll already have to deal with. I've also, btw, never heard of a person with end stage liver disease who was lucid and totally in his right mind. The toxins from the liver create a state of muddled confusion for the patient, if not now, soon enough.

This family does not want you taking over any detail of their fathers care and management as he undergoes this terrible situation, I think you should respect their wishes and stay out of their way. Do not assume POA for this boyfriend and just visit him as you can. As his girlfriend and loving support system. Nobody needs to be a medical expert at end of life. The doctors, nurses and hospice will take over his actual care, not you or his sons. You need to understand how his family is viewing you right now....as an outsider coming in to take over. Don't feign ignorance on how this entire situation appears!

Best of luck making the right decision here for all concerned.
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OP, I am certainly not judging you- in fact the opposite. I’m giving my experience of someone (cousin Helen) trusting the BF’s family to be kind, sensible and non-judgemental, and then getting treated really badly herself. If you marry BF now, you can still be kind, sensible and non-judgemental yourself, you just aren’t totally vulnerable if the others are NOT. If Helen had finally said yes shortly before he died (after 20 years!), her position would have been completely different. Marriage is more difficult to attack than a will, and as next of kin you can't be refused access. And it might make you both happy for a little while.
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MargaretMcKen Feb 26, 2025
OP you do sound a bit more savvy than cousin Helen and her wish to ‘avoid being tied down’ by refusing marriage to the long term love of her life. Not ‘being tied down’ has also led to long term rental - not buying somewhere to live before the price of housing sky-rocketed. Her long term landlord is now selling and wants her to leave. My own DH is trying to work out whether he (and thus partly me) can help fund her long term retirement, as Helen’s super isn’t going as far as she expected. Please use your common sense!
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Another poster here just told me that it is MEDICAL POA you have, not general.
Oh oh and a big Oh oh.
Who is the general POA because that person will take precedence in anything at all including medical decisions. Means you can only operate to make medical decisions if he is unable, and you choose to do ANYTHING agains his children I think you are in big trouble.

Just add this to my other cautions below.
I wish you luck.
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I didn't get any gold digger vibe off the poster but I am sure his sons did. I agree with the poster that said let the sons be there to care for him and you be there to love and support him. I would not move in to care for someone who's family is openly hostile towards me. Do not accept any financial support from your BF because that will just reinforce the sons thinking you are there just for financial gain. Let them be responsible for the heavy lifting. You just be his girlfriend.
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Op, if you’re at all serious, decline the mpoa in writing by cc to both your partner and his Son.
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My husband died of liver cancer. Prior to that diagnosis, he had end stage cirrhosis that progressed into cancer.

Take it from me, liver disease of any kind is no picnic to deal with.

I got duped into taking on the responsibility of everything. I thought his family liked me, but after he died; it took a turn for the worst. He died eight years ago. I haven't heard or seen any of them since. He left so much undone, and it took me a year to straighten up the messes he left behind.

If you are not married, don't do it. You don't want to get yourself into an emotional rollercoaster and dealing with hostile family members. You don't want them to get physical with you after his death.

Go visit, but let his sons do the heavy lifting on this one.

Do not move in with him.

It's good that he he still lucid for now.
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