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After my mom passed away my dad went into a depression. He depended on her to feed and guide him for the last 50 years. I told him he could come stay with us until he’s strong and I would help him back to feeling okay enough to live independently. Well.. 8 months later.. my dad depends on me making him breakfast every morning lunch and dinner. I was happy to do that for awhile but whenever I mention learning to do these things on his own he ignores it. Like he can’t bare the thought. Then he’ll tell me he has all these plans and never takes steps towards them just sits in his room all day watching tv or on the computer. I know he is depressed. He talks to a counselor every other week. Sometimes it feels like manipulation. I’m burning out!! My health has been declining since taking this on and I’m just looking for advice and opinions here. Thank you

Be very protective of your own health and relationships. My fathers ill health and inability to do anything eventually had a diagnosis. But not before it started to wreck Mum. I'm now totally burnt out and used all my LSL in supporting a move to Aged Residential Care, preparing, selling and vacating the family home and shed, yesterday. Heavy machinery, asbestos, files, 100s of kgs of metal and timber. 30cubic metres of skips. I live
90 minutes away. I've had to pull off the road and sleep.
I've cried a lot and felt very disappointed in the lack of care for my welfare (by failure to clean up earlier in life) in reaching this point. It's been lonely. I've had one fall and many sore muscles. Mum does sometimes grasp the impact, Dad is unable to comprehend.
Do not put your current welfare at risk. Your Dad needs to go into respite care to get perspective. Best wishes.
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Your Dad is probably depressed, understandably. But it’s time for him to go elsewhere. Normally men like to make decisions, so offer him two options: go home and have him pay for a companion to transition him to making his own meals and cleaning his own house OR go to Assisted Living. Provided there are funds, of course.
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Dear Shell1122- I offer this just to balance out the previous posts and comments and advice. my story- I let myself get overwhelmed, but I regret it to this day. I wish someone had taught me this before I learned the hard way.

God give you strength and grace to do the right thing for the sake of eternity.

Sirach 3

Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

Duties toward Parents

Listen to me your father, O children;
    and act accordingly, that you may be kept in safety.

For the Lord honored the father above the children,
    and he confirmed the right of the mother over her sons.

Whoever honors his father atones for sins,

    and whoever glorifies his mother is like one who lays up treasure.

Whoever honors his father will be gladdened by his own children,
    and when he prays he will be heard.

Whoever glorifies his father will have long life,
    and whoever obeys the Lord will refresh his mother;

    he will serve his parents as his masters.[a]

Honor your father by word and deed,
    that a blessing from him may come upon you.

For a father’s blessing strengthens the houses of the children,
    but a mother’s curse uproots their foundations.
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Do not glorify yourself by dishonoring your father,
    for your father’s dishonor is no glory to you.
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For a man’s glory comes from honoring his father,
    and it is a disgrace for children not to respect their mother.
12 
O son, help your father in his old age,
    and do not grieve him as long as he lives;
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even if he is lacking in understanding, show forbearance;
    in all your strength do not despise him.
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For kindness to a father will not be forgotten,
    and against your sins it will be credited to you;
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in the day of your affliction it will be remembered in your favor;
    as frost in fair weather, your sins will melt away.
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Whoever forsakes his father is like a blasphemer,
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Maybe start out by hiring a companion. They don't do hands on, but can take him to appts., cook a bit, clean a little and socialize w/ him, play cards, talk, etc. Depression can have physical effects. If he starts to feel better emotionally, maybe his physical self/activity will improve, too.
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Knowing your dads age, health status and financial situation would help identify next steps. For instance if he is 70 and physically fine, you need to take him apartment shopping. If he is 85, brittle diabetic and can no longer drive, he more than likely needs assisted living.

He was comfortable with your mom taking care of his every need and you jumped in and continued the lifestyle to which he was accustomed to. Time for tough love.
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Not sure how old your dad is, but I don’t really feel that he has the motivation to start living independently.

Explore senior living or AL (very near to you so that it’s easy for you to visit) asap.

If he goes back home, I think you’ll still somehow bear the burden of decades of dependent living.

I’m sorry for your losses. xo
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It is up to YOU to set boundaries. Begin the conversation for the next phase where he moves out and lives independently. In my personal experience with three parents/in-laws, I advise setting him up in an environment where he can have all the privacy he desires, but also has lots of opportunities to socialize with people in similar situations right outside his doors. Even better if it can be a setting with graduated levels of care from independent senior living through end-of life. Men tend to be outnumbered by women as they get older, so he would likely find many caring friends that would check in on him or even form a new romantic bond . You might be surprised if you speak frankly about YOUR life and YOUR needs in a loving, nonjudgmental way. A friend told me to tell my dad “please do this (move into independent living, make your own meal, whatever) for me, Dad”. You can expect to have to repeat your expectations for his independence. You will be there to catch him when he falters. If you could attend some of his counseling sessions with him, it would likely be beneficial to both of you!
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Ask your father to go with him to his bi-weekly counseling sessions so you can share these feelings with both of them and come to a mutually workable solution. Eight months, with your dad retreating into a cocoon of relative comfort and familiarity, is too much to ask. Grief has no timetable, but you are not his wife; that your mom attended to his every need was her choice. You are not his wife. Your dad must accept his 'single'/widowed status and 'graduate' to a new phase of his life. It was kind and generous of you to take your father into your home but it was not meant to be permanent so set a firm date for dad to 'graduate'. All the best to both of you.
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He needs professional in-person help.
1 - Get him a referral to a psychiatrist to evaluate and treat his depression - probably needs medications.
2 - Ask him to join a grief support group - I like GriefShare - to deal with loss of his wife and her support. Make this part of an agreement to live with you.
3 - Start a series of discussions of what he needs to be able to accomplish to live independently. Make a list of tasks he needs to learn - or pay others to do for him. Make "learning" part of the agreement to live with you. Decide with your dad (and with your spouse if you have one) a date when dad will move into his own place.
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How old is your Dad? How is his health? Are you married and have children at home?
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Same. My wife’s an RN, and a saint. After a few years of sharing some of the caregiver / live in duties with my younger sister (there’s just the two of us), the dementia got bad enough mom was leaving lights on, water running, etc. After flooding my sister’s house, mom was ours f/t. She wore us out as the dementia stole more and more from her. We’d long said “the line” was when she couldn’t bathe herself, or wipe her butt. We passed that by a year, because my wife took over doing it. Eventually we were doing everything for her, our 5 year old grandson even helped her with things he knew how to do but she’d forgotten. When she started getting up in middle of night and taking her depends off and going commando, leaving us with a morning routine of cleaning her and her clothes and bedding up, we found the line. She’s been in a nice memory care facility for 1.5 months, and still begs me to come home 1 more time, and tells me she’d never do this to us. This is tuff. Good care facilities deal with these issues a lot, so find a place and help him move.
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Good Morning,

It's so hard when they have been married a lifetime. My mother told me of a story she read about 2 birds who were together; when one passed the other bird dove head first into a bucket of water. The bird was so distraught.

Eight months is not that long. You didn't mention your father's age. When my dad passed suddenly in grad school, that first year I took mother everywhere with me. Coffee, New Hampshire, friends beach house, conferences, Church volunteer work.

It was ok after a while. I wouldn't make any sudden moves. But, maybe he could "tryout" a place for 30 days before he sells or moves permanently. It's not uncommon for the men to meet a woman right away because they are lonely, enjoyed being married, and there are so many more women at Senior events then men.

Men love their laz-a-boy chair and the large screen tv. That's all they need. Women's needs are different; the women fare better than the men and the men give up too easily, they can't help it.

What about if you both planned a vacation to look forward to in the near future and make a plan while on vacation?
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Midkid58 Sep 8, 2024
Well, I know all my DH 'needs' is his large screen TV and his recliner. If I am to pre-decease him, our kids plan to move him immediately to an AL. He's not incapable of caring for himself, he just won't take the ownership of doing it. (beyond grooming & daily stuff. He can't clean, cook or run a home)

He thinks our 4 daughters will take care of him. They have adamantly stated they will NOT.

AS long as you make yourself the answer, you will always be the answer.
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It (his behavior) isn't 'manipulation".
It IS his history and life pattern(s). This sounds entirely normal, esp with a man who is older, depressed, grieving, and perhaps has some mental decline, if not dementia.

The question I consider: Why would you think he wouldn't 'expect' breakfast as he is accustomed to receiving? Or anything else he is used to getting?

He is not able to differentiate between the 'who' is providing with the 'I want" and "I need" and "I am used to ..." behaviors / needs.

Yes, as long as you continue this behavior, you will continue to burn out.
What has to change? Your behavior - first your mind set by understanding his behavior from HIS point of view.

How you do this__________________
* His basic needs need to be managed by you learning how to set boundaries.
* You talk to him with kindness and compassion with clear boundaries, i.e.,
"I will xxx" when I can (serve breakfast). . . "I understand you want xxx".

"Do not 'throw it in his face' that his wife is gone and things are different now. This will not serve either of you.

* As you can, hire a caregiver or support person to help you care for his needs.
- Compassion is as important as clear boundaries are. Or find a volunteer.

* No, he won't want to or be able to do things 'on his own' as you expect.
He is grieving, perhaps w/ mental decline ... and doing the best he can. Being depressed is HARD for anyone; it is harder for him losing his grief and FEELING his needs are not be met, while depressed.

You'll need to find a balance between what you will do and how, and find ways to support him to move through how he feels:

* could be a caregiver to play games with him or take him out for a walk / lunch.

* Spend time listening to him / his needs ... so he can 'get it out' (doesn't mean you will do what he expects / is used to / wants. Giving him SPACE to express how he feels is also a way to support expressing his grief, even though he may not associate the two as 'the same' (processing/benefit).

Take care of yourself___________
If you continue to allow him to 'burn' you out - realize that it is YOU who is allowing the situation / circumstances to feel burning out. (It isn't him).

It is up to you to make decisions and they can be made with compassion and boundary clarity. "If" he cannot understand what you say / boundary setting ("I'll get to it 'soon") then just let him be ... and get to it when you can.

I am not sure about the counselor although it might be advantageous for you to speak to that person for feedback / support. And/Or get your own therapist. This is YOUR life. You need to flush out / process /change your 'm.o.' about what you feel are your responsibilities, perhaps including feeling guilt and learn how to assert yourself with compassion. It is a dance and a needed skill to develop.

Mostly, you tell your father "I understand ... I hear you... offer reflective listening (reflect his words back to him). Him feeling HEARD is huge, regardless of his expectations wanting 'how it used to be.'

Once you state your position ("I will do xxx soon") - stop talking. Often the hook is a person explaining... keeping that conversation going (guilt and feeling ungrounded) when that is not necessary. Smile, hold his hand, then do what you need to do.

Learn to re-direct him. Watch Teepa Snow's webinars, read her books, watch her You Tubes. She is one of the best in helping family learn how to communicate with an family member losing cognitive functioning/declining.

Sounds like you need help (caregiver) and/or wondering if it time to consider an AI facility for him? These are very difficult / hard decisions. Bottom line: Take care of yourself so you will be there to support him.

Gena / Touch Matters
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MiaMoor Sep 8, 2024
Gena, you're not the only one here saying about it being usual for older men to expect to have food served and other household tasks done for them.
It must be a cultural thing because I find this odd. Even my grandad, who was born at the beginning of the last century and died 30 years ago, could make meals and knew how to take care of the home and others. He had been a miner and, later, worked in a factory. He was the main breadwinner, especially as there were 9 children, but when Nan had dementia, he was more than capable of looking after her.
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I understand everyone’s comments, but I would also like to add that in regards to Assisted Living, even though you get 2-3 meals a day, I believe you have to dress up and go to the dining area for each of your meals.
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It depends on the facility. At my mom's, there was an assessment on how much or little help she needed.
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He's your dad; I think you should talk to him as his daughter, his little girl.
He needs to be told, straight, exactly how much of a toll this is taking on your own wellbeing. He needs to know that you have a life to lead, one that does not revolve around taking care of him.
You need to point out that the things you are doing he is capable of doing for himself.

Then, stop.
Stop making his meals, stop cleaning his clothes, stop tidying up after him. And tell him that it's time for him to move back home (or into IL).

If your dad needs care, you could help him to arrange it, but he must be responsible and pay for it.

If your dad doesn't care about how his refusal to take care of himself, or even learn how to, is affecting you, then why should you care about how he feels? You have a relationship with your father, but the care shouldn't be just one way.
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TakeFoxAway Sep 8, 2024
I agree with some of the things Mia says. I think you should set what he eats out for breakfast and tell him he's got to help you out and make it. My mother used to do this for my 93 year old dad with Alzheimer's. He could make his breakfast. Of course your dad is used to being served. But the only way to get him to break the expectation is to break it. Just do it with kindness.

Also do that with his lunch. Take out what he eats and put it on the table and say 'Dad I need you to start making your own lunch too. It was never the intention for me to do these things.' Something like that.
I hope that is helpful.
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A hard one
maybe a change of routine
leave food out for him and go out
if he leaves it there it away of give it to him later
if the depression isn’t too bad
thing is with elderly parents -the more you do the lazier they become
I had it with my dad
And he turned into an invalid -
my sister took over when I was having burn out - and with her no nonsense approach made him do things
now he’s stronger than before and actually happier because he. Can get about and I tell him im
not helping him with x or y because he needs to move and do things for hi
self- I actually told him he turned into an invalid and couldn’t even get out of the. Chair anymore not moving and bones seizing up and he was shocked
hey-
why not a day out - small trip so he has to help get organised and change of scenery
was there something he liked doing
or even a tea outside in the park in a flask
to get out in the real world again
depression is a terrible condition
have you anyone in the family who can act like my sister and help
( it wasn’t easy btw - my father initially said he was being bullied - now he acknowledges her help and is grateful)
My sister told me I needed to stop doing everything for him and let him do stuff- sometimes you have to be a little cruel to be kind
good luck
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MiaMoor Sep 8, 2024
This is so true.
My stepdad did everything for my mum, following her stroke, and wouldn't let her do anything. She became weak, infirm and frail, unable to even make herself a cup of tea. I hated that he stole her independence while she was too vulnerable to do anything about it. Before, my mum had been an advocate for the elderly at the sheltered housing complex she managed, and promoted their independence.

Earlier this year, I had to cut my stepfather off when it became clear that I was doing too much for him and he was becoming incapable. It was the right thing to do, even though he was angry with me, and I can now see that he is more independent again.
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Look up emotional incest. Sometimes it’s called covert incest. It’s a disorder in which the parent manipulates a child into being his everything.

Do whatever you can NOT to be his everything! Or even his anything. You can put a stop to it right now, and I hope you will.
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Can Dad afford a housekeeper that will make some meals ?
Maybe this is a baby step before going into AL ?
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Just stop making the meals. Daddy will figure out how to make himself a bowl of cereal when he gets hungry enough.
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But the question becomes can you teach an old dog new tricks? The answer is yes but only if you make them try.
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Dad, this ends now.
You are going home.

I am not your wife.
I am not your maid.

Time for you to make some changes.
I will help you hire a cleaning service & set up meal deliveries to get you started.
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Is your dad on an antidepressant? You said he’s seeing a counselor; is it someone who can prescribe? There is no shame in needing a little temporary help re-balancing your chemicals after a trauma.
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When my Mom had passed, Dad (both in their 90's) was so helpless when it came to what we had considered "women's chores". For a brilliant man, he couldn't make himself a cheese sandwich.


But I understood why Dad was that way. Mom wouldn't allow either of us to touch anything in the kitchen. Thus, when I got married I didn't know how to cook, still don't (I am in my 70's now), so that fear is still ingrained. Same with laundry, housecleaning, etc.


For my Dad, he moved to Independent Living at a senior facility and loved it there. All those chores that he was afraid to do were being done for him (for a price). Except for wearing plaids with stripes when he got dressed :)
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You are not his wife. If your mother chose to be his servant that was her decision.
It is not that difficult to feed ourselves. Or learning something new i.e. basic cooking class is good way to get out of comfort zone.
Just be honest, tell Dad he should go home. Don’t do his shopping or food prep. He is able to do it like any adult.
Will you do it for next 20 years?
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Personally I’d shock his socks off by telling him that you are NOT his new wife. You are NOT coming to bed with him, or doing any of the other things that wives do. If he wants a new wife he needs to go out and find one, not sit watching television. Same thing with other 'plans'.
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"What do I do??" you ask, and the simple answer is just say NO. NO dad I can't continue to make every meal for you, and NO dad I can't continue doing your laundry, and NO dad you can't continue living here as it's time for you to spread your wings and fly.
Time for you to take your house and your life back. It's been long enough now and your dad is a grown ass man, who should have learned long ago how to fend for himself, but as long as you continue to enable him he will never learn.
So time for either an independent or assisted living facility. There he will be around other folks his own age, and will get some if not all his meals made for him, and who knows he may just meet a woman his own age that would replace your mom in doing everything for him so you'll be off the hook.
It will be a win win for all involved.
So start with the word NO, and see where it takes you from there.
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ForWhatItsWorth Sep 8, 2024
It’ll be a win/win for everyone but the new woman his age who would start doing everything for him…. 🙃
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Either independent living where he would get housekeeping once a week and most likely a continental breakfast and hot dinner . He can learn to make a sandwich for lunch . He will have to do his own laundry

Or assisted living where he gets 3 meals a day without him having to lift a finger . Housekeeping and they do his laundry. They will also give him rides to the doctor .

He’s refusing to learn. He doesn’t want to , he wants you to replace his wife . He’s used to being taken care of , so he goes to a facility that will cater to him .
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JTQJOTSM Sep 8, 2024
At my parents' independent living facility, they could get as many daily meals as they wanted to pay for. They also could get rides to appointments also a la carte, and medication management if needed. There were scheduled regular trips to the grocery store and to Target as part of the rent.
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This brings to mind seeing some married/dating couples grocery shopping where the man pushes the cart and the woman makes all the food decisions. The man never leaves the woman's side.

One couple used the self check out where the wife was doing the scanning and bagging while husband stood there Lol
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He depends on you to make breakfast, lunch and dinner because you have been doing it. STOP doing it.
Make breakfast for yourself if you eat breakfast, if you don't don't make breakfast for him in either case. He can pour a bowl of cereal and pour milk on it, he can toast bread....
If you are home for lunch, same thing he can smear peanut butter and jelly on a slice of bread, can heat up a bowl of soup, heat leftovers from dinner the night before.
Make dinner for the family, make what you want don't cater to him. Make 1 meal.
And dad washes dishes, cleans up the kitchen.
Dad starts doing his own laundry.
And just like when you were a kid dad starts doing chores,.
And the kicker...dad starts paying his fair share of all household expenses. If it is you, husband and dad then ALL expenses are divided by 3. Mortgage, utilities, newspaper, property taxes, food, maintenance costs.
And have a serious talk about dad moving into Senior Housing, or IL or AL facility.
OR another way to go about this...
If there is a Senior Center near by get him involved there.
If you can since he talks to a counselor each week make arrangements to talk to the counselor yourself and tell them what you have expressed her and see what they have to say about how to go about motivating dad.
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Two words: Senior Living. Immediately.
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To be honest, it sounds like Dad never lived independently. We never stop learning throughout life; learning to be self-sufficient is possible BUT only if there is a desire to learn.
Sounds like Dad is semi-paralyzed by depression and the habits of a lifetime. Before you burn up and out, see about getting better physical and mental health management. Consider assisted living in a small facility (small house setting) or having care come to him in his home (still owns?) He's used to being cared for, there are people to do that for a living. Arranging this care may be one of the best ways to support your dad.
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ZippyZee Sep 5, 2024
Bingo. I bet he went straight from mom, to wife, to daughter without ever taking care of himself.
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