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My parents are toying with the idea of going into a nursing home. They have a house that they want to save from a medicare lien. My dad found out that if a family member is living in the home with them before they go into a nursing home that the house will be free of the lien. What about us children having power of attorney or the house being placed in a trust in our names?

I am not sure if Medicaid does not put a lien on a house, no matter who is living in it.

My understanding is that for Caregiver allowance you must have physically cared for the parent/s for at least two years in their home. You also have to show that you can pay any mortgage, taxes, bills and upkeep on the house because, Medicaid will be able to recover from it once the last surviving spouse passes. You may be able to remain in the home but a lien will be placed on it. If you pass or sell, the lien needs to be satisfied.

You cannot put the house in trust at this point. Medicaid has a 5 yr look back. Me, I would sell the house to offset the cost of my care. Your parents SS and any pensions will go towards their care if Medicaid is involved. Meaning to keep the house, someone else will need to pay the billsbon it.

I think before your parents decide anything they need to talk to an elder lawyer. Each state has their own criteria to be able to receive Medicaid. To enter LTC you must need 24/7 care.
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See an attorney.
It is way too late to use an irrevocable trust at this point. That would need to be in place at least 5 years before admission requiring Medicaid.

You should prepare yourself to understand the truth here.
You parent's assets stand to give your parents care in their old age. They are not your inheritance unless they stand free and clear and bequeathed to you upon the death of both parents.

Your parents are intending to go into care now. If they have liquid assets then those stand to pay for their care. If they do not they can make application for Medicaid. Under Medicaid rules they are allow to "keep" one home and one car. And whatever small amount the state allows them to keep. However, when they have died the home will be a part of their estate, and you are correct. Medicaid will have a lien on that home to pay back (clawback is the term sometimes used) governmental taxpayer's money used to provide care for your parents.

Feel free to visit and elder law attorney in your state to learn options. But the fact is that your parents savings, investments (of which a home is one) stand to provide THEM care.
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In Marin County CA, a nh is housing three patients to a room. The yelp reviews indicate the food is worse than San Quentin. This is how it is in the richest county in the state.

Why subject your parents to that when they have a whole house to leverage?
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What your father may be thinking of is the caregiver-child exemption that can prevent Medicaid from putting a lien on the house. If a child lives in the house with the parent for at least two years before the parent applies for Medicaid to live in a nursing home, and provides care during that time, then the parent may deed the house to the child even if it's within the five year Medicaid "look back" period. The idea here is that by providing care, the child has delayed the necessity for the parent to have to go on Medicaid to be cared for in a nursing home. It isn't enough for the child to just be living in the home for at least two years--they have to also be providing substantial care for things such as bathing, dressing, toileting, eating, etc.

Your parents can't just decide to enter a nursing home. They need to meet medical eligibility criteria and also be able to pay. Their home is an asset that should be used for their care, and their income (social security, pension, etc.) would also go for their care.

I also want to clarify your heading about the government "stepping in and taking" your parents' home. If your parents' stay at a nursing home is being paid by Medicaid, they are allowed to retain the home until the second of them passes away. Medicaid would place a lien on the home to recover money the program spent on your parents, and they would get paid back after the house is sold; the "government" does not "take" the house. But if your parents are on Medicaid, all their income needs to go toward paying for their care, less a small monthly personal needs allowance, so they would not have money to pay for taxes, insurance, maintenance, etc. and someone else would have to pay (you children?).
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The Medicaid application "look back" period is 5 years, so it will be important (if your parents ever need Medicaid) that the FPoA manages their affairs correctly. This means consulting with a certified elder law attorney and a Medicaid Planner for your parents' home state. Medicaid is state-specific and this is global forum so this is one of the reasons why you need to talk to an attorney.

Trusts provide several advantages but cost more money to create and is more effort for the trustee to administer. It can cost anywhere between $1500 to $3500 or more.
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Medicare has nothing to do with liens on homes. If a person uses Medicaid, a government program for people in financially troubled circumstances, to pay for nursing home care, Medicaid has the right to place a lien on the person’s home after the last surviving spouse has died to recoup the taxpayers money that has been spent on this expensive care. POA is only for making financial and/or healthcare decisions for a person at a time when they can not do so for themselves, an important document, but nothing to do with “saving” a house. Trusts are a matter for a lawyer with state specific information. Many taxpayers feel it’s wholly appropriate for a person’s assets to be used for their care and most people’s largest asset is their home
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