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Question here is: IS he of sound mind? Or is he diagnosed with dementia?
That honestly is the only question as far as HIS actions go, as if he is competent he can give money to whomever and whenever he wishes.
HOWEVER: the CNA is out of line and KNOWS it. That is abuse of her job. Any CNA working there would have been severely cautioned about this. She should not be working in a care facility.
I would simply tell brother "I understand it is your choice to give money to whomever you like (IF this is true) BUT the CNA knows BETTER than to discuss her personal situation with those she is giving care to; that isn't legal OR ethical. And while YOU may be competent there are many here who ARE NOT and who may lose EVERYTHING to someone who is essentially acting abusively in her job. I am sorry you are offended but I did what I believed was right, and I would do it all over again, and if that means you don't wish to see me or talk to me, that's fine. Call when you want to; meanwhile I will catch up with friends. AND, do know if you ever report someone doing something this dangerous and illegal and scammy again, I WILL REPORT IT".
End of sentence. You can shorten it if you like ;)
You say that bro also was speaking of marriage. That makes me tend to think he is NOT rational. So only you can know how irrational he is. This may simply blow over without your saying a thing. Please be certain that your complaint is in writing. It is important for the sake of others that this is investigated and addressed.
Thanks, the CNA is no longer employed at the facility because of this episode. Bro is not diagnosed with dementia. He has a history of bad decisions in his life and this was just one more. I wrote him an email and will leave it at that.
If you are not his PoA you have no power to do anything except report it to the admins of this nursing home and maybe talk to an ombudsman. But again, if you aren't his PoA, not sure this can go anywhere. If he has a legal guardian, I would certainly inform this person or entity.
If he has no PoA and no legal guardian, then I would consider talking to social services to get him on track for a guardian. He'll need one at some point, it seems sooner rather than later.
Really, that aide is at least half his age and he thinks she will marry him? Thats delusional and says Dementia to me.
Did the aide get fired? As Alva says, aides should not be discussing their personal life with residents. He did say she turned it down. IMO the aide should have told the her boss what the resident was doing. Then her boss explains to brother that staff cannot receive money from residents. If he is fixated on that aide, she should not have been allowed to care for him.
I don't think there's anything you can do for now. Perhaps he'll come around. I hope so. People have said it wasn't your business if he was of sound mind, but they fail to understand that the CNA was in a position to take advantage of him, and that's why that isn't allowed. It's too easy to sway an old person to give up their money, which puts the CNA in a position of power. What she did was unethical. Maybe she is totally innocent and was fond of him and just talked about her life and problems, but that doesn't change the fact that she should never have taken that money no matter how much he insisted. I would say give your brother time. Don't contact him for a bit so he can miss you. It's easier to forgive someone when you start to miss them. You did the right thing by reporting her. That type of behavior just can't be accepted.
If she cashes a check (?) or you have a paper trail, perhaps you can take her to small claims court, if worth it.
I wouldn't 'try' to repair relationship as your dad clearly has dementia and there is nothing you can do to stop that. The best you can do is change your attitude about him and the situation.
You must have legal authority so he isn't able to do this again (why was he able to it is the first place if in a nursing home ???)
If you do not have legal authority to manage his finances, it appears he can do what he wants with his money, dementia or not.
I question if you knew this scenario as it was developing why you didn't take some control over his finances - if you were able to do so? Since he's in a nursing home, I am presuming, perhaps incorrectly, that you manage(d) his finances and have legal authority in other areas.
Understand what dementia is. You need to learn how to take care of yourself emotionally and mentally. It is a cruel disease/condition and will put any one of us through the ringer if we do not learn how to shift of own brain chemistry / thoughts. Realize that he cannot help it ... it is his brain changing ... so you then shift to compassion. And ensure you have legal authority over ... everything.
Yes, you can pull Report as Caregiver . We do not place to take money from the client and do other way to go pay their bills or anything less they cannot get out and about or take care of yourself then you can go pay their bills, but I know you don’t place to take no money from a patient
Your brother needs an evaluation of his mental health. He should understand that the kindness of a hired caregiver is not the same as the love intended for marriage. He may need to be attended to by only male caregivers if he can not differentiate the two - to keep him safe from fraud and to keep him from being charged with inappropriate behavior to staff.
If this wasn't a scam the former CNA would still be in the brother's life, visiting him and taking care of his needs out of genuine feelings. She's not.
Sorry, brosis35, but there isn't anything for you to repair - you didn't break anything.
All you can do is let your brother know you still care about him, but the ball is in his court. I really don't think there's any point in you arguing your point about this particular episode; it sounds as if he's delusional.
As someone else pointed out, you hear far more about older men believing that a younger woman cares about him than the other way round, probably due to historic prevalence of such marital/power dynamics.
So, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has any cognitive decline (although he may have and it's not been noticed because he has a history of bad decision making).
That doesn't mean that he isn't vulnerable to emotional manipulation and financial abuse, and you did the right thing. The fallout is unfortunate, but it isn't your fault.
If your brother doesn't have any dementia or brain damage then this is on him, and it's his responsibility to fix the damage. Don't take on unwarranted responsibility or guilt.
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That honestly is the only question as far as HIS actions go, as if he is competent he can give money to whomever and whenever he wishes.
HOWEVER:
the CNA is out of line and KNOWS it.
That is abuse of her job. Any CNA working there would have been severely cautioned about this. She should not be working in a care facility.
I would simply tell brother "I understand it is your choice to give money to whomever you like (IF this is true) BUT the CNA knows BETTER than to discuss her personal situation with those she is giving care to; that isn't legal OR ethical.
And while YOU may be competent there are many here who ARE NOT and who may lose EVERYTHING to someone who is essentially acting abusively in her job.
I am sorry you are offended but I did what I believed was right, and I would do it all over again, and if that means you don't wish to see me or talk to me, that's fine. Call when you want to; meanwhile I will catch up with friends.
AND, do know if you ever report someone doing something this dangerous and illegal and scammy again, I WILL REPORT IT".
End of sentence. You can shorten it if you like ;)
You say that bro also was speaking of marriage. That makes me tend to think he is NOT rational. So only you can know how irrational he is. This may simply blow over without your saying a thing.
Please be certain that your complaint is in writing. It is important for the sake of others that this is investigated and addressed.
If he has no PoA and no legal guardian, then I would consider talking to social services to get him on track for a guardian. He'll need one at some point, it seems sooner rather than later.
All you can do is apologize to him and ask his forgiveness if you want to repair the relationship.
Did the aide get fired? As Alva says, aides should not be discussing their personal life with residents. He did say she turned it down. IMO the aide should have told the her boss what the resident was doing. Then her boss explains to brother that staff cannot receive money from residents. If he is fixated on that aide, she should not have been allowed to care for him.
Since brother is competent, then I guess you just bide your time. I am to the age I just don't let those type of things get to me.
I wouldn't 'try' to repair relationship as your dad clearly has dementia and there is nothing you can do to stop that. The best you can do is change your attitude about him and the situation.
You must have legal authority so he isn't able to do this again (why was he able to it is the first place if in a nursing home ???)
If you do not have legal authority to manage his finances, it appears he can do what he wants with his money, dementia or not.
I question if you knew this scenario as it was developing why you didn't take some control over his finances - if you were able to do so? Since he's in a nursing home, I am presuming, perhaps incorrectly, that you manage(d) his finances and have legal authority in other areas.
Understand what dementia is. You need to learn how to take care of yourself emotionally and mentally. It is a cruel disease/condition and will put any one of us through the ringer if we do not learn how to shift of own brain chemistry / thoughts. Realize that he cannot help it ... it is his brain changing ... so you then shift to compassion. And ensure you have legal authority over ... everything.
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its not his money to donate to charity
it needs addressing and he removed from abusing mothers funds
Sorry, brosis35, but there isn't anything for you to repair - you didn't break anything.
All you can do is let your brother know you still care about him, but the ball is in his court.
I really don't think there's any point in you arguing your point about this particular episode; it sounds as if he's delusional.
As someone else pointed out, you hear far more about older men believing that a younger woman cares about him than the other way round, probably due to historic prevalence of such marital/power dynamics.
So, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has any cognitive decline (although he may have and it's not been noticed because he has a history of bad decision making).
That doesn't mean that he isn't vulnerable to emotional manipulation and financial abuse, and you did the right thing. The fallout is unfortunate, but it isn't your fault.
If your brother doesn't have any dementia or brain damage then this is on him, and it's his responsibility to fix the damage. Don't take on unwarranted responsibility or guilt.